Ok Stivey,

you really must pay more attention to the postings, I'm accused by you of "jumping to conclusions with only minimal facts to hand" perhaps you may like to read the post again & notice that i put a question mark (?) at the end of the sentence, this is asking a question for clarification. It's interesting to note that on your reply you conveneintly missed this out. Therefore if you are accusing me of jumping to conclusions with only minimal facts - welcome to the club. I'm also aware of all the facts which i will once again enlighten you with, not make sweeping statements after obviously hearing matters seconhand.

Lets cover the facts, not what you may think happened or may have happened. You are right the match official that day failed everyone, however Dewsbury Celtic were told that the referee was told by the Yorkshire Youth commitee a report would have to be forthcoming, this has never happened, yet this man is still allowed to referee at youth level, how can this be ? what has he or the Yorkshire Youth League got to hide ? surely he should have been subject to the disciplinary panel suspending him for NOT DOING HIS JOB.

In relation to "my anger & blame being directed at the referee, rather than those individuals who tried to progress the case without the proper documentationin in the first instance" let me once again enlighten you to THE FACTS. i assume you mean the Yorkshire Youth commitee when you refer to the above individuals. At the said game was a Yorkshire Youth League official who wrote a report which bore no resembalance to the events whatsoever, this was proven to be the case when Dewsbury Celtic presented photographic evidence (which the league were unaware of) at the disciplinary meeting that totally proved his statement to be at best not worth the paper it was written on, so please don't tell me they had no documentation, they even had an official at the game, who had no spine as alluded to in my first post to do the right thing. You mention the referee's duty of care, can i ask you where the leagues duty of care is ?

Lets be clear in relation to your point "it's never a good idea to allow clubs to pick & choose who they do & don't play" Dewsbury Celtic have not picked or chosen who they don't play, the club had no option as the league wanted to cover the whole sorry episode up & not disipline the guilty party, therefore leaving said club feeling untouchable.

Another fact you wont be aware of is this the Yorkshire Youth League dictated at their discipliplinary meeting tt the abandoned game at Celtic's ground would have to be replayed, yet at the BARLA appeal meeting Celtic were informed that this couldn't happen because they felt it would be too dangerous - yet they expected Celtic to play a League Cup semi final 3 days later away at the said team, therefore if the BARLA appeals commitee think that it's too dangerous - what option did Celtic have ? You quite rightly critisice the referee for failing in his duty of care, yet you have the nerve to castigate Dewsbury Celtic for fulfilling their duty of care.

You have now posted twice on this issue & not responded to any of the disciplinary incidents above, you want to have ago at a club that safegaurds it's players whilst not posting one opinion on the disciplinary issues above such as "the most ill disciplined side i've ever seen" threatening referee's & 15 year old touch judges. Perhaps you could enlighten us with an opinion, after all, as below it seems you are highly qulaified in such areas.

As a former disciplinary Chairman in junior & youth rugby, with the views you spout without the full FACTS, it's no wonder Celtic have had to take this stance.

Youth committees are not in charge of match officials so are not realistically in a position to refuse an official being appointed, if they tried to do such a thing they risk the wrath of the match official department who COULD refuse to appoint anyone. I would say the same about any club that made the same threat. You should be asking the question of how he gets appointed to Ben Thaler not the youth committee as its his job to put any block on the official.

The Yokshire Youth committee may well have told Dewsbury that the referee WAS submitting a report, he proabably told them that, it's still not their fault that he did not. I believe the official WAS subject to a disciplinary meeting - but it would have been the match officials OWN disciplinary committee not the youth leagues. I cannot confirm but my understanding is he originally failed to turn up (but may have turned up to others).

So you feel that the youth officials version of events where different to Dewsbry's version - I wish I had a pound for every time I had heard at disciplinary that someone's view was different to anothers (usually the referees).

The league's duty of care is to ensure the match officials report is dealt with (errrr !!). The official on the day has the same opportunity to report the incident as everyone from Dewsbury (and the opposition) did. The only difference being the match official is supposedly neutral.

Without a match officials report the disciplinary result was doomed to failure, as I said before your anger should go to the match official and not those individuals brave (or stupid) enough to try and bring some form of justice to the events that day without the backing of the referee.

I don't have the benefit of the appeal minutes so cannot answer your statement on the "too dangerous to play" comment, but that does seem strange to me unless they also stated how that danger could be measured and how that danger would be reduced sufficiently to allow the teams to play again or are the clubs not playing each other this year either).

I only have heresay on the appeal subject but I was told it was thrown out because there was no match officials report. If that is not the case, given that events you have alluded too, how much in fines did BARLA hand out and how many players got suspended if they stated it was too dangerous? Having not been at the game itself, I cannot comment on the disciplinary issue other than the disciplinary process itself.

What I will say is, don't you think it's time this was all put to bed, the disciplinary process is now complete (by the sounds of it) whether you agree with the decisions made or not. Sometimes you simply have to accept that you are not going to get what you want and you have to move on - though personally I'd make sure I video'd the next game to make sure I actually have proper evidence in case their was an issue.

Hi everybody. after our previous charity game was postponed due to venue problem. we have re-arranged this fixture for June 26th. however some players have pulled out of this game due to working commitments. We have chosen this date due to the fact that there is only 1 game being played that day. Super league Harlequins RL vs Wigan. Kick off time is 3pm at Ovenden Park, Halifax. Directions can be provided from Halifax town Centre for those who need it. Game is to be played full 80 minutes. Referee - Dan Tindall (unless changed) £1 entry - 6+ Free Entry - Under 6 Can all players please either email or text me. Email - K-Diddle-Diddle@live.co.uk Text/Call - 07866226684

Hi everybody. after our previous charity game was postponed due to venue problem. we have re-arranged this fixture for June 26th. however some players have pulled out of this game due to working commitments. We have chosen this date due to the fact that there is only 1 game being played that day. Super league Harlequins RL vs Wigan. Kick off time is 3pm at Ovenden Park, Halifax. Directions can be provided from Halifax town Centre for those who need it. Game is to be played full 80 minutes. Referee - Dan Tindall (unless changed) £1 entry - 6+ Free Entry - Under 6 Can all players please either email or text me. Email - K-Diddle-Diddle@live.co.uk Text/Call - 07866226684