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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
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| Where did the 70k top earner come from?
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7063.jpg "They supercede individuals, they supercede the team and they supercede the club. Our club is a traditional, working class club and the supporters are loyal and passionate and to see them go away happy really makes my day." Craig Sandercock.:7063.jpg |
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| Quote: Sheldon "Where did the 70k top earner come from?'"
Was a rumour thats since being quashed by our Asst chairman.
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33809_1522680904.png 'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "I heard gollum talking to Hudge before the match last night, and Hudge reaffirmed the clubs new signing policy with what I took to be a broadside to players seeking inflated contract renewals. Hudge remarked, players with a contract value of £30-£35 thousand are demanding £70-80 thousand.
It got me thinking about contract values and what is a reasonable one for the OOC players at Rovers?
What is Lovegrove, Murrell, Hall and Galea worth?
There's some very tough decisions to be made!'"
It's market forces, we need to be wise to agents trying it on but we can't swim against the tide.
One potential issue is that good players who signed long deals last year could easily find themselves on similar or even less than less important players re-signing now, which might make for some interesting squad dynamics.
I could come up with a hypothetical banded wage structure and, because I'm ace, it'd probably be a decent guide. It'd be really boring though and I've already been told off for being a weirdo following my excessively rigourous investigation of sabremetrics on t'other board.
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23521.jpg [quote="Tarquin Fuego":3e09qe5x] I love Jamie and have done since he was 10 years old. [/quote:3e09qe5x]
[quote="The Reason":3e09qe5x]Hi Andy
The Rugby Football League are in the process of reviewing the video that you are referring to. We do not condone behaviour of this nature and have contacted the player’s employer, Hull F.C., who have confirmed that they are dealing with the incident under their club rules.
Regards,
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| Quote: Easty "Was a rumour thats since being quashed by our Asst chairman.
I must admit it didn't make sense, surely if your spending the full cap who cares what individual players earn?
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| Quote: Mild Rover "It's market forces, we need to be wise to agents trying it on but we can't swim against the tide.
One potential issue is that good players who signed long deals last year could easily find themselves on similar or even less than less important players re-signing now, which might make for some interesting squad dynamics.
I could come up with a hypothetical banded wage structure and, because I'm ace, it'd probably be a decent guide. It'd be really boring though and I've already been told off for being a weirdo following my excessively rigourous investigation of sabremetrics on t'other board.'"
Go on then - lets get all hypothetical!
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "I heard gollum talking to Hudge before the match last night.'"
Whoa, whoa, whoa.
fun time frankie's the official eavs dropper, shove off you.
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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result: |
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
fun time frankie's the official eavs dropper, shove off you.'"
im not due to be the place were i gathered my info for 2 weeks but i was right about shenton
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: fun time frankie "im not due to be the place were i gathered my info for 2 weeks but i was right about shenton'"
Mate, seriously, I can't believe you're still getting cross about this. I believed you at the time.
You'll be thinking you're Darth vader next at this rate.
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Mate, seriously, I can't believe you're still getting cross about this. I believed you at the time.
You'll be thinking you're Darth vader next at this rate.'"
The first stage of insanity that. The second stage is taking pictures of building sites.
Is Kev Naiqama signed up yet?
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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result: |
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Mate, seriously, I can't believe you're still getting cross about this. I believed you at the time.
You'll be thinking you're Darth vader next at this rate.'"
im not cross im just keeping you informed when you can expect more info
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: fun time frankie "im not cross im just keeping you informed when you can expect more info'"
Ah, I'm with you now chief, I await your update with bated hiss.
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Whoa, whoa, whoa.
fun time frankie's the official eavs dropper, shove off you.'"
Doh! I was listening to RH - no way would I dream of taking over FTF's role on these threads lol!
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33809_1522680904.png 'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png |
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "Go on then - lets get all hypothetical!'"
You were warned...
The full cap for the top 25 earners is £1.6m iirc.
An average of £64k per member of the 25 man squad. I'd divide them into the following four bands:
Very Important Players - Those worth six-figure salaries. Maybe 3-5 in any squad. Michael Dobson would be an example for Hull KR. Going above £160k for any player would be a big step psychologically - 10% of the cap. £200k, an eighth of the cap, and you're definitely getting into the realms of diminishing returns - even a brilliant player needs decent players around him to make a strong team. 3-5 players taking up not much more than £500k.
Regular first-team players - Those others who you'd expect to play when fit, to a lesser or greater degree. Probably earning £50-100k. Say an average of £75k and 10 of them to keep the maths simple, £750k.
Squad players - the sort who are expected to be regularly on the fringes of the first team, competing for a bench spot and filling in for injuries. Likely to have a squad number in the high teens or low twenties. Probably the sort of player NH reports as looking for the wage hike up from ~£35k as their agents market them as filling the emerging (though possibly exaggerated) gaps amongst the ranks of regular first-team players. 8 of them comes to £280k.
Promising youngsters - the sort already with a handful of games under their belts. On less than the squad players, but not for long they hope, and slightly more than those poor impoverished souls simply considered 'youngsters', outside the top 25 earners. 3 at £25k each, is £75k.
Squad grand total 500+750+280+75= £1.605. I bust the cap by £5k, but that is a very simple and rough example of how I guess clubs might structure their cap space.
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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It's Mike Smith warming up his old Fujitsu photocopier...
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| Mild Rover, putting your generic ‘bands’ into perspective, then, Rovers squad perhaps fits into these bands:
Band 1 - Very Important Players (5 players): Dobson, Green, *Webster, Galea and *Clinton.
Band 2 - Regular first-team players (12 players): Paea, O’hara, Withers, Murrell, D Hodgson, Welham, *McDonnell, J Hodgson, Taylor, G Horne, *Watts and Mika.
Band 3 - Squad players (4 players): Hall, Netherton, Latus and Lovegrove.
Band 4 - Promising youngster (4 players): Cox, Salter, J Green and Carlile.
NB: Rovers also have these ‘impoverished souls’ - Sheriff, Ollett, Griffin, Petersen, Hepi and Beaumont (sorry to those I have omitted).
I have * those players who I believe or know to be leaving.
Setting aside any disputes over banding etc., what this model highlights is the areas of contract manoeuvres (between bands). It also tells me Rovers Board can save £200,000 (or thereabouts) by not renewing Jake’s and Joel’s contracts without seriously denting the clubs/Sandercock’s ambitions.
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