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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "It would be interesting if the RFL imposed a one point loss on the franchise bid for exceeding 5 non British born players.'" But they can't they were the ones that changed the rules to it being 'were a player was trained'.
They then muddied the waters even more by throwing out the exemptions.
We now have a raft of players who are 'fed trained' when they are nothing of the kind.
Put it this way if Newton,Galea,Vella,Webster or Fisher were shown the door by HKR and taking into account that they are still going to be classed as fed trained no matter where they go do you think they will get picked up by another SL club?
We all know the answer to that question dont we.
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "It would be interesting if the RFL imposed a one point loss on the franchise bid for exceeding 5 non British born players.'"
One point docked for each non British player, thereby rewarding clubs who are participating in the spirit of the original principles. Although FC would fall foul of this with just one (Manu) and therefore would drop to a B, so maybe it's not such a good idea.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "In my team I'd rather have;
Long, Sinfield, Chase, Tomkins, Eastmond and Briers than him.
I'm not saying that the fact he's played in the GF and CC more than Dobson is absolute proof however it's clear that the HB is a vital cog in a team - perhaps the single most vital (see us and Bradford in recent years for proof). Cooke has being a very important player for a team who have won the CC final and got to a grand final and has proven he can be a top player in a top team whereas Dobson hasn't.'"
if you took your black and White specs offand were honest you'd bs saying massively different, I'd say 90% of fc fans would take dobbo over long. Briers great as he mightve been is way past his best, sinfield is a loose and chase may be good on his day but is very inconsistant. I'll give you eastmond and tompkins. If all the sh's in sl were put up for an auction dobbo would be in the top pick slots along with tompkins, eastmond and myler.
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| Having only caught the last 15 minutes of Robins Night on KCFM it does appear the rumours regards Radford and Hall are wide of the mark.
( What is a players ambition and what are Rovers ambitions appear to be two different things )
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| Quote: Bertie "Having only caught the last 15 minutes of Robins Night on KCFM it does appear the rumours regards Radford and Hall are wide of the mark.
I missed the last 15 Bertie, care to give us a run down my good man
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| Quote: MrPhilb "I missed the last 15 Bertie, care to give us a run down my good man'"
1) In talks with council to have Marfleet Road traffic lights manned to ensure less traffic congestion before and particularly after games. Next season the camera's which control traffic down Preston road to be used to alleviate problems.
2) Buses which service C.P. leaving to early after the games ( Probably to avoid said traffic congestion) are to be consulted about leaving a little later. Bus (s) to be run via villages like Skirlaugh and those on route direct to C.P.
3) Many players (and agents) have been spoken to, and being spoken to, regarding many players ( only a few who fans pick up on) and this is almost on a daily basis. A few irons in the fire apart from those where rumours appear on message boards, but its a fine line between players wanting to come , for the right price, and fitting into the jigsaw, that the coach wants.
4) Current players who are OOC at the end of the season will not neccesarily leave the club. ( By intimation) Wheeldon has not signed for Wakey.
Thats about it mate.
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| Quote: Bertie "1) In talks with council to have Marfleet Road traffic lights manned to ensure less traffic congestion before and particularly after games. Next season the camera's which control traffic down Preston road to be used to alleviate problems.
2) Buses which service C.P. leaving to early after the games ( Probably to avoid said traffic congestion) are to be consulted about leaving a little later. Bus (s) to be run via villages like Skirlaugh and those on route direct to C.P.
3) Many players (and agents) have been spoken to, and being spoken to, regarding many players ( only a few who fans pick up on) and this is almost on a daily basis. A few irons in the fire apart from those where rumours appear on message boards, but its a fine line between players wanting to come , for the right price, and fitting into the jigsaw, that the coach wants.
4) Current players who are OOC at the end of the season will not neccesarily leave the club. ( By intimation) Wheeldon has not signed for Wakey.
Thats about it mate.'"
He came across very well in the little I heard
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| Quote: Bertie "1) In talks with council to have Marfleet Road traffic lights manned to ensure less traffic congestion before and particularly after games. Next season the camera's which control traffic down Preston road to be used to alleviate problems.
2) Buses which service C.P. leaving to early after the games ( Probably to avoid said traffic congestion) are to be consulted about leaving a little later. Bus (s) to be run via villages like Skirlaugh and those on route direct to C.P.
3) Many players (and agents) have been spoken to, and being spoken to, regarding many players ( only a few who fans pick up on) and this is almost on a daily basis. A few irons in the fire apart from those where rumours appear on message boards, but its a fine line between players wanting to come , for the right price, and fitting into the jigsaw, that the coach wants.
4) Current players who are OOC at the end of the season will not neccesarily leave the club. ( By intimation) Wheeldon has not signed for Wakey.
Thats about it mate.'"
And you lot say Rule can talk for an hour whilst saying nothing. Did no one ask about the ground developments?
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "And you lot say Rule can talk for an hour whilst saying nothing.
Don't know.
Didn't you
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| Quote: Bertie "Don't know.
Didn't you
Gutted that I missed it. An hour discussing the traffic and giving no information on player movements. I'm looking forward to the upcoming musical Robins Night though. Might be next week
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| Everyone seems to overlook that there is NO restriction on overseas players whatsoever.
Yes there are rules which say you must have a certain amount of home grown and federation trained players but these can be of any nationality.
Anything else would be discrimination on the grounds of nationality which is not acceptable.
If the UK government says to an individual from abroad yes you can work over here, then the RFL has no right to have rules that say you can't.
That doesn't mean you have to employ them but you can't refuse to employ them simply because they are born abroad.
People talk about the England team but we have players like Sean Long who for a number of years has refused to play international rugby. What benefits does Sean Long bring to Super League that a player of similar ability from overseas wouldn't? Sean Long says he will never play for England, at least the overseas player can qualify through residency after 4 years like Willie Manu.
Listen I have no problem with Sean Long not playing for England in fact I think the England team is better off without him. He walked out on his country in the middle of a real hard tour leaving his team mates to battle on, so good riddance.
But surely if you want to place restrictions on overseas players like Willie Manu and Clint Newton but not Sean Long then logically you must be racist. Of those 3 one of them is available for England, another soon will be and the other is Sean Long.
The home grown requirement for 8 players in a 25 man squad is a great rule and gives all the assurance anyone could want. Rovers are behind the game in the youth stakes but busting a gut to catch up after so long having no real chance to attract the best local talent. And they are closing the gap rapidly.
It takes time but Rovers are not too far away now from the conveyor belt of youngsters reaching first team level. Will we still want overseas stars? Of course we will. Look at Wigan the best youth production there is but still they raid Melbourne Storm on mass for signings.
Hull fans are getting a bit agitated and I must confess, if they were in the frame for Willie Mason I would be too. That's understandable. He's the box office they've always craved, the signing they've always wanted. Goodness they were wetting themselves over Crocker they'd be in convulsions over Willie Mason.
They are worried they are anxious we have been there too, so on banace I think we should be forgiving of their pretend morality about overseas signings.
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| Quote: His Bobness "Everyone seems to overlook that there is NO restriction on overseas players whatsoever.
Yes there are rules which say you must have a certain amount of home grown and federation trained players but these can be of any nationality.
Anything else would be discrimination on the grounds of nationality which is not acceptable.
If the UK government says to an individual from abroad yes you can work over here, then the RFL has no right to have rules that say you can't.
That doesn't mean you have to employ them but you can't refuse to employ them simply because they are born abroad.
People talk about the England team but we have players like Sean Long who for a number of years has refused to play international rugby. What benefits does Sean Long bring to Super League that a player of similar ability from overseas wouldn't? Sean Long says he will never play for England, at least the overseas player can qualify through residency after 4 years like Willie Manu.
Listen I have no problem with Sean Long not playing for England in fact I think the England team is better off without him. He walked out on his country in the middle of a real hard tour leaving his team mates to battle on, so good riddance.
But surely if you want to place restrictions on overseas players like Willie Manu and Clint Newton but not Sean Long then logically you must be racist. Of those 3 one of them is available for England, another soon will be and the other is Sean Long.
The home grown requirement for 8 players in a 25 man squad is a great rule and gives all the assurance anyone could want. Rovers are behind the game in the youth stakes but busting a gut to catch up after so long having no real chance to attract the best local talent. And they are closing the gap rapidly.
It takes time but Rovers are not too far away now from the conveyor belt of youngsters reaching first team level. Will we still want overseas stars? Of course we will. Look at Wigan the best youth production there is but still they raid Melbourne Storm on mass for signings.
Hull fans are getting a bit agitated and I must confess, if they were in the frame for Willie Mason I would be too. That's understandable. He's the box office they've always craved, the signing they've always wanted. Goodness they were wetting themselves over Crocker they'd be in convulsions over Willie Mason.
They are worried they are anxious we have been there too, so on banace I think we should be forgiving of their pretend morality about overseas signings.'"
A slightly weird rant about FC and Long, but the point here isn't about Mason, is it? Have you even read the thread? The point is that the RFL set out its principles of reducing quota players to 5 by 2011 and increasing homegrown player requirements years ago. Thanks to a set of exemptions and rule-changing by them, they are now in the embarrassing position of having some clubs having the same if not more overseas players at the end of the first franchise period than at the beginning. If the 5 rule was never legal/operational, they look like @rses for communicating it to start with, and if it was legal/operational they look like @rses for allowing exemptions that could allow some clubs 10+. Mason is a top player, box office as you say, and would be a good addition to Rovers and SL. But this has nothing to do with the quota situtation as if Rovers had to keep to 5 they would have signed him anyway and offloaded a combination of Webster/Fisher/Galea/whoever to do so as he'd be the first name on the teamsheet.
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| The RFL have made a mess of it. As far as clubs go. Every club will do what is permitted to their own benefit.
I think Huddersfield for example are playing the long game by hoovering up every available talented British player, knowing it's going to leave them in a strong position down the line. It's not a case of doing the right thing.
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| Quote: Bobbin' Along "The RFL have made a mess of it. As far as clubs go. Every club will do what is permitted to their own benefit.
I think Huddersfield for example are playing the long game by hoovering up every available talented British player, knowing it's going to leave them in a strong position down the line. It's not a case of doing the right thing.'"
In a nutshell.
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| The only club who aren't recruiting from the Southern Hemisphere are Quinns and they are currently bottom of the ladder.
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