And there we have it. The issue for both teams IMO is that I think that Wigan and Warrington and really stretching ahead of the opposition (money talks - Lenegan and Moran are in a different league financially to other backers and both now have top class coaches in place), and with Leeds not far behind our chances of winning anything would have to seem remote without a spectacularly lucky Challenge Cup draw.

FC are financially self-sustaining now but we choose not spend on a top class coach and have a random and short termist recruitment policy - our academy is OK but recruitment in the open market has been poor for 5 years. We have an opportunity to sort a lot of this out next year as we have all our quota players OOC apart from O'Meley who's been a great signing anyway, but I'd like to bet now it will be a disappointment.

Rovers IMO have done fantastically well to get to where they are, which is pretty much the same position as FC on the pitch. Whether you can kick on to genuinely challenge the top 3 teams on a consistent basis and win some trophies is more debatable.

So the reality at present is that all we have to play for is a derby double.

So your saying your team are "spineless"...... don't think too many will disagree with that.

thats because my best mate is from London though last post on quins site was about 2 yrs ago. how many have i posted on your pile of sh*t? probably the same amount of points you got last night

Hell,I find myself agreeing with a Rovers supporter!

Was at that game, your team played very well that night, didn't throw the towel in. Where they missing "the spine of your side that night?"

Nilled us at Home

I didn't realise you were a mod

Or maybe you post without knowing facts.

I said immediately after the Derby that it seemed Hull put everything, and I mean everything into that derby.

One simple fact regarding this is Hull's choice to put Calderwood in after limited appearances this year (and we now know that he's been ruled out) whilst Rovers still turned to youngsters such as Latus and Charnley and 'resting' Vella and Welham.

I think we are looking at the bigger picture.

All saying that though, Hull do have a large injury list, but Wigan were always going to respond after last week.

Hull are still in a false position however.