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| The cap rules are very complicated and opaque.
Warrington will be able to get better value from what they do spend by being able to offering success, security and transfer fees.
There have been plenty of cap exemption rules over the years (tbh, I lose track but I know some are still in place e.g. relating to new talent pools). Warrington, by virtue of having more money, have been in a better position to explore and exploit some of those opportunities.
Then there are the things that just aren’t mentioned in the rules or by RL community generally. I tend to assume that if something isn’t in the rules then it can’t be against them. For example, it was (and maybe still is) stated that clubs couldn’t registration-carousel overseas players to beat the quota but nothing was said about doing similar with other players to beat the cap. For a while, I assumed this was happening - more recently I’ve started to doubt it. The point is, there’s potentially some ambiguity in an apparently simple statement about spending up to (or not beyond) the cap.
The line Rovers take publicly is a difficult one. Say we don’t spend as much as other clubs and some fans might take a chequebook out attitude. Say we are spending the cap, and questions will arise as to why we spend it so ineffectively. I recall that this year NH said we were unable to spend the cap simply because we couldn’t attract that calibre of player, or they weren’t available - or something along those lines.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "The cap rules are very complicated and opaque.
Warrington will be able to get better value from what they do spend by being able to offering success, security and transfer fees.
There have been plenty of cap exemption rules over the years (tbh, I lose track but I know some are still in place e.g. relating to new talent pools). Warrington, by virtue of having more money, have been in a better position to explore and exploit some of those opportunities.
Then there are the things that just aren’t mentioned in the rules or by RL community generally. I tend to assume that if something isn’t in the rules then it can’t be against them. For example, it was (and maybe still is) stated that clubs couldn’t registration-carousel overseas players to beat the quota but nothing was said about doing similar with other players to beat the cap. For a while, I assumed this was happening - more recently I’ve started to doubt it. The point is, there’s potentially some ambiguity in an apparently simple statement about spending up to (or not beyond) the cap.
The line Rovers take publicly is a difficult one. Say we don’t spend as much as other clubs and some fans might take a chequebook out attitude. Say we are spending the cap, and questions will arise as to why we spend it so ineffectively. I recall that this year NH said we were unable to spend the cap simply because we couldn’t attract that calibre of player, or they weren’t available - or something along those lines.'"
That last line certainly makes a lot of sense. We somehow need to break that cycle.
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| Quote: Seventies red "That last line certainly makes a lot of sense. We somehow need to break that cycle.'"
The only way to break that cycle is to win more games and get up the Table but that is not easy if you do not have decent players
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| Quote: Someday "The only way to break that cycle is to win more games and get up the Table but that is not easy if you do not have decent players'"
No player will ever pick KR over FC, the same as no player would chose FC over Leeds, or Leigh over St Helens, either Hull team can win one off games in the CC and possibly lift the cup, but I doubt we'll ever see a side from Hull winning a Grand Final. Not so long ago NH wanted out of KR, Covid has made things even worse, especially with your lost revenue from concerts etc.
With no relegation I expect both NH and AP to keep their wallets shut for the foreseeable.
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| Quote: IR80 "No player will ever pick KR over FC, the same as no player would chose FC over Leeds, or Leigh over St Helens, either Hull team can win one off games in the CC and possibly lift the cup, but I doubt we'll ever see a side from Hull winning a Grand Final. Not so long ago NH wanted out of KR, Covid has made things even worse, especially with your lost revenue from concerts etc.
With no relegation I expect both NH and AP to keep their wallets shut for the foreseeable.'"
Wanted out? That certainly applies to one of the owners in Hull.
Hudge actually said he'd step aside if someone came in with more cash.Big difference although I'd say 2016 certainly tested his resolve.
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| While we are at it il take the bait. An RL player will take the most cash over the most years offered hence Ellis joining a less successful side than Leeds or Cas who he had real affinity for. Lee and Litten signing for KR whilst staunch B&W followed the cash.Throw in Taylor and Crooks to that bracket. Short career and i dont blame any player for their choice if given multiple offer. Nice attempt at a sensible post with 2 digs and a smattering of untruths
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| Quote: Someday "The only way to break that cycle is to win more games and get up the Table but that is not easy if you do not have decent players'"
Aye, it can feel a bit catch-22, can’t it?
We can get out of it - others have. However, when you feel that the gap is to the top 8, say, rather than the top 4 it might have to be something transformational.
Quote: Someday "While we are at it il take the bait. An RL player will take the most cash over the most years offered hence Ellis joining a less successful side than Leeds or Cas who he had real affinity for. Lee and Litten signing for KR whilst staunch B&W followed the cash.Throw in Taylor and Crooks to that bracket. Short career and i dont blame any player for their choice if given multiple offer. Nice attempt at a sensible post with 2 digs and a smattering of untruths'"
it is more complicated than our black and white chum suggested imo too. Players might also choose a less successful team for more game time. The issue with not having success as a selling point is that you attract players who can’t get game time elsewhere or who are relatively more interested in the money than winning or whatever.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Aye, it can feel a bit catch-22, can’t it?
We can get out of it - others have. However, when you feel that the gap is to the top 8, say, rather than the top 4 it might have to be something transformational.
it is more complicated than our black and white chum suggested imo too. Players might also choose a less successful team for more game time. The issue with not having success as a selling point is that you attract players who can’t get game time elsewhere or who are relatively more interested in the money than winning or whatever.'"
Quite agree. Was a fishing excursion I nibbled on but enough truth to appear harmless. Almost upto his Mistresses standards.
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| Quote: craig hkr "Quite agree. Was a fishing excursion I nibbled on but enough truth to appear harmless. Almost upto his Mistresses standards.'"
It wasn't a wind up, it is the truth.
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| Quote: IR80 "No player will ever pick KR over FC, the same as no player would chose FC over Leeds, or Leigh over St Helens, either Hull team can win one off games in the CC and possibly lift the cup, but I doubt we'll ever see a side from Hull winning a Grand Final. Not so long ago NH wanted out of KR, Covid has made things even worse, especially with your lost revenue from concerts etc.
With no relegation I expect both NH and AP to keep their wallets shut for the foreseeable.'"
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| You would think that cycle will be very hard to break now. I am not sure how the club will budget for next season unless some stability can be obtained. Then there’s the question of who would come. It would be real nice to see the local junior and amateur pools grow and offer a better product line for both our clubs. I really wish the council would invests more in youth sports. It’s a known fact that kids really active in sports are less likely to end up in trouble.
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| Quote: A Adler "You would think that cycle will be very hard to break now. I am not sure how the club will budget for next season unless some stability can be obtained. Then there’s the question of who would come. It would be real nice to see the local junior and amateur pools grow and offer a better product line for both our clubs. I really wish the council would invests more in youth sports. It’s a known fact that kids really active in sports are less likely to end up in trouble.'" nice to see your diarrhea has cleared up
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| Looks like Jamie’s Ellis to Leigh is doing the rounds today. Can’t really blame him. I’m sure he had bills to pay like the rest of us. Just wonder if the delay in negotiations and the uncertainty around the club will lead to an exodus of first team players.
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| Would hope he would be released whatever state our finances?
Wish him well but ultimately no longer a SL standard player.
I suspect come Sunday teatime you will have flounced off here which will be nice
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| I agree that he’s not the greatest super league player but I still think he’s decent at this level. There’s really not a lot of quality half backs around unless your willing and able to pay good money. He can at least a slot over some goals and drop goals that increases his worth. Could be tough to attract a better replacement with all things considered.
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