Agree about half's but no half is going to look good behind a pack not dominating.Saying that we haven't had that for a long time.Toulose are a big all round side,we have matched bigger packs this year at best and it's been fitness which has seen us get over them .That won't happen in the 8s.A half (not Atkins) and Mose look crucial additions now rather than a luxury

Who was leading the side when Lunt went off? They just did not look interested today & who decided not to kick for goal when it would have put us 8 points clear. If they play like that in the 8's we will have another season of this league.

At least you had a trophy presentation to cheer you all up

Think that was part of problem. Job done mentality and nice lead at halftime,cue on rack few beer afterwards to celebrate then give squad players a run v Fax next week,plenty in the tanks for qualifiers. A lesson best learnt now rather than when it matters.The format has devalued the league shield but as I said before you can only win the league you are in

Terrible today, absolutely terrible.

Toulouse were rubbish apart from three or four miracle plays that stuck to hands.

Don't get me wrong, they were the better side and fully deserved to win but it was so much more a case of we got what we deserved.

I'll be amazed if our completion rate was above 33%.

I've never seen a game that for both sides was so much; penalty, error, penalty, error.

Terrible game management.

Take the two to ourselves up by eight? No.

Next time we're within the twenty we have a perfect opportunity for a dg, Ellis doesn't even think about it, he just ships the ball on.

We're one game away from the rubbish Eight's and as much as I respect Sheens, does he know what our best team is and where to play them?

Why is Addy in the half's?

What is the point of Cockayne on the bench?

Why is Clark turning out for York?

Who actually is the full back?

All valid questions. One step forward two step back again.Lets hope these rumours of quality signings are true?

These 3 quality players who are coming in should see you promoted

That remains to be seen my black and white friend

Clearly not going to happen.

And already too late.

Any fool can see we're playing to a set play book, we cannot bring in anyone new that could ever change this.

What we need to do is be extremely boring. And play to the Sheens game plan.

I don't care how awful the rugby is (and it has been) we need to get out of this league.

Problem being that game plan relies on 100% completion by us and errors from the oppo, all nice in principle but so easy to read and disrupt. It also needs a very good plan B which I'm yet to see.

with the coal train and masoe to come in they shouldn't have any issues fitting in. sheens should have brought a decent half back in some months ago though

reading what every body says on hear it sounds has if we are all doomed I hope not we do not want another season in this league so let us

I could not believe the team was going through there final,preparation for the game, warm up call it what you will and they are introducing and interviewing the new scrum half asking him where and what does Tim Sheens want him to do when will he be making his debut and all that crap, what on earth would you be thinking if you were Jamie Ellis or one of the other halfbacks, no doubt the kid is a good player and has been brought in to strengthen the team but surely there is a time and place to asking him his thoughts, not before the game any opinions or is it me that's wrong?

I do believe we are seeing a slight over reaction here. Let's take some factors in

1) - Mentality - that game meant absolutely nothing to us, and with one eye on middle 8's already complacency will set in.
2) - Team - Add in Carney, Minns, Heffernan, Clark, Atkin/Abdul, Greenwood and match fit Quinlan we are a different beast.
3) - Game - we were pretty comfortable in that game even playing shocking, it's not like we just got schooled and taught lessons. We ultimately switched off, they scored 3 tries from kicks where we weren't switched on enough and pulled the result. Fair play to them, had to go for it. If we play them in the middle 8's, we will put 20 past them minimum as they were pretty poor.

We have seen that we can raise our tempo as well, heard plenty of noise yesterday about other teams raising their game - what about us. We can comfortably play at higher intensity as shown a number of times throughout the season.

Some questions around half backs still definitely, and a plan B, but i know and the team knows we are going to be competitive.

Jamie Ellis should be thinking I better pull my finger out for once at the end of the day Ellis is on loan this kid has signed for 2 years