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| Quote: Neil HFC "
Anyhow, you've got a yes/no answer from me. So once again, is the execution of an innocent party ever acceptable? in all cases? if for example it was a family member/friend that was the victim of an unsafe/incorrect conviction you'd presumably just shrug your shoulders and get on with your life?'"
Can i reverse your answer then and ask if you would be so anti capital punishment if god forbid any family member of yours was murdered or had their life ruined by some phaedo scum.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "Why cant you have a differing system based on the level of accuracy/type of the proof? DNA evidence for example that is 100% or thereabout accurate or un-arguable video evidence? Cases bases 100% on witness statements where witnesses have been known to be wrong would then be a 2nd tier that comes with life imprisonment instead?
I think a bigger issue than the death penalty in this country in the length of sentences given for every crime. There was the case recently of the hacker who wanted to face trial in the uk cos he would get 10 years but in america he would have got 100 years.'"
Because you're either gulity or not, there shouldnt be degrees of guilty.
Tend to agree with the 2nd paragraph, I've no problem atall with life meaning whole life, or more stringent sentances etc etc. I just fail to see how execution can ever be justified, especially if, as in some cases it has, and will be applied incorrectly.
America is interesting, they do "life" sentances properly over there, its more than possilble to get put away for hundreds of years, I've no issue with that atall. Also, despite having the death penalty in a fair percentage of the states they still have a much higher (approx 4x) murder rate per capita
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| Quote: Big Spender "Can i reverse your answer then and ask if you would be so anti capital punishment if god forbid any family member of yours was murdered or had their life ruined by some phaedo scum.'"
You can answer the question first.
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| Quote: Neil HFC "Because you're either gulity or not, there shouldnt be degrees of guilty.
Tend to agree with the 2nd paragraph, I've no problem atall with life meaning whole life, or more stringent sentances etc etc. I just fail to see how execution can ever be justified, especially if, as in some cases it has, and will be applied incorrectly.
America is interesting, they do "life" sentances properly over there, its more than possilble to get put away for hundreds of years, I've no issue with that atall. Also, despite having the death penalty in a fair percentage of the states they still have a much higher (approx 4x) murder rate per capita'"
To reference America again though they do have differing degrees or murder, i dont see why we couldnt and i dont see what they cant come with differing penalties, one of which is death. The risk is about incorrect application as you say.
See my arguement for the death penalty isnt based around it been a deterent, its based on the fact that it saves tax payers money keeping people in prison and its also a little bit ofjustice for the family of the person offended against.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "To reference America again though they do have differing degrees or murder, i dont see why we couldnt and i dont see what they cant come with differing penalties, one of which is death. The risk is about incorrect application as you say.
See my arguement for the death penalty isnt based around it been a deterent, its based on the fact that it saves tax payers money keeping people in prison and its also a little bit ofjustice for the family of the person offended against.'"
They have different degrees which relate, in part, to premeditaion and such like, not different degrees of guilt or proof.
I'ts generally been shown that the whole life (good term huh ) costs of imprisonment vs capital punishment show a very signifigant saving to the life in prison sentances (again taking the US as a base model).
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| Taking the US as a base model again
Since the death penalty was reinstated in the U.S. in 1976, 1,020 men and women have been executed, with more than one-third--362--put to death in Texas.
Although more than 100 people have been released from Death Row in the U.S. during that time, no government authority has concluded that an innocent person was executed.
Also, despite having the death penalty in a fair percentage of the states they still have a much higher (approx 4x) murder rate per capita
and 0% re-offenders
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| Quote: GraftonRed "Taking the US as a base model again
Since the death penalty was reinstated in the U.S. in 1976, 1,020 men and women have been executed, with more than one-third--362--put to death in Texas.
Although more than 100 people have been released from Death Row in the U.S. during that time, no government authority has concluded that an innocent person was executed.
Also, despite having the death penalty in a fair percentage of the states they still have a much higher (approx 4x) murder rate per capita
and 0% re-offenders'"
So it's not a deterrent then?
It's just revenge
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| Quote: cod'ead "So it's not a deterrent then?
It's just revenge'"
Is that a bad thing? (to play devlis advocate)
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| Quote: Neil HFC "They have different degrees which relate, in part, to premeditaion and such like, not different degrees of guilt or proof.
I'ts generally been shown that the whole life (good term huh
I'd be interested to see the costings that you talk about? Im not sure how spending 10 years on death row and then been killed could be more expensive than 40 years in prison with a better standard of living than 30-40% of law abiding people on the outside?
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| Quote: Big Dave T " There was the case recently of the hacker who wanted to face trial in the uk cos he would get 10 years but in america he would have got 100 years.'"
100 years for been a hacker seems a bit harsh! What did he hack..people to death?
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| Quote: knocker norton "icon_eek.gif
100 years for been a hacker seems a bit harsh! What did he hack..people to death?
CIA confidential information or something like that i think. Classed as terrorism too i believe.
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| Quote: Big Dave T "CIA confidential information or something like that i think. Classed as terrorism too i believe.'"
Surprised Microsoft didnt offer him a 6 figure salary then.
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| Quote: Big Dave T ".'"
Wouldnt be surprised if that happened and i wouldnt be surprised if they won the right either!
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| Quote: knocker norton "Wouldnt be surprised if that happened and i wouldnt be surprised if they won the right either!
See the other thread about human rights of prisoners.
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