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| Quote: robinho "Wrestling in the tackle will slowly kill the game as a spectacle. As a speccie at all our games it is dire to watch, so for all neutrals and armchair viewers it cannot be conduicive to a good watch in the hope of attracting new supporters to the game.
The usual inconsistency in how the refs apply the rule also leaves a lot to be desired which means the game descends into a series of 5 drives and a kick.
It is also no coicidence that as wrestling has become the current trend, there appears to be more chicken wing tackles as opposing players attempt to slow down the PTB.
This whole tactic needs stamping out.'"
Anybody notice the attempted one on Vella by O'Loughlin???
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "Anybody notice the attempted one on Vella by O'Loughlin???'"
There's loads of it in the game now Galea tried one on Coley as well. A few lengthy bans should be meted out that would soon stop it.
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| Gordon
My post wasn't suggesting we were innocent of this. It's something that is creeping into the game as a whole which is not necessary. It's a hard enough game as it is without those tactics coming into it aswell.
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Correct, lengthy bans might put a stop to it, but given that JJB's effort on the Ginger one only warranted (in the RFL's eyes) a one match ban, I would be surprised if Vella and Galea have any case to answer. Then again, they don't play for Leeds....
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| As far as I am aware Rovers are one of the only SL sides not to bring in a wrestle coach on a regualr basis.
Hull, Cas and Wakey all use Featherstones Conditioner Dave Downes either on a weekly or fortnightly basis and he is now working with the Scotland RU squad.
Huddersfield bring a guy in, as do Quins, Leeds and Wigan. Not sure about Saints and Wire and dont care about Celtic
Maybe this is something JM may look to address next year if he agrees it is one of the weaker aspects of Rovers game?
Bringing a guy in for a week of pre-season is not enough, players need constant improvement in this area as other coaches look to take advantage I reckon.
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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "As far as I am aware Rovers are one of the only SL sides not to bring in a wrestle coach on a regualr basis.
Hull, Cas and Wakey all use Featherstones Conditioner Dave Downes either on a weekly or fortnightly basis and he is now working with the Scotland RU squad.
Huddersfield bring a guy in, as do Quins, Leeds and Wigan. Not sure about Saints and Wire and dont care about Celtic
They do wrestling drills in the warm up though Jimmy
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "They do wrestling drills in the warm up though Jimmy
All clubs do though mate, that will be with the Conditioner, not a wrestle specialist, unless they are employing one now that I didnt know about?
I'm talking about, for example Cas, who go to Fev once a fortnight to use their Wrestle room (purpose built with padded floor and walls) and spend 4 hours (2 groups for 2 hours) working on nothing but wrestle with a guy who is well known for being one of the best in the game (even Melbourne Storm wanted him when they came over).
Add those 2 hour blocks up over a season and that is a lot of specialist time.
Maybe now Rovers have the partnership with Featherstone they will send their players to Dave more often?
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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "All clubs do though mate, that will be with the Conditioner, not a wrestle specialist, unless they are employing one now that I didnt know about?
I'm talking about, for example Cas, who go to Fev once a fortnight to use their Wrestle room (purpose built with padded floor and walls) and spend 4 hours (2 groups for 2 hours) working on nothing but wrestle with a guy who is well known for being one of the best in the game (even Melbourne Storm wanted him when they came over).
Add those 2 hour blocks up over a season and that is a lot of specialist time.
Maybe now Rovers have the partnership with Featherstone they will send their players to Dave more often?'"
AFAIK Clint Newton has been doing taking the wrestling drills during some training sessions along with Andrew Webster.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "There's loads of it in the game now Galea tried one on Coley as well. A few lengthy bans should be meted out that would soon stop it.'"
It ssmed to be picked up more at the beginning of the season and cases sent to the Disciplinary committee, that seems to have tailed off now - whether this is due to a reduction in incidents , the attention has been switched elsewhere or the purge has finished I don't know.
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| Quote: Gordon Gekko "AFAIK Clint Newton has been doing taking the wrestling drills during some training sessions along with Andrew Webster.'"
So not someone with expertise then?
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| Quote: Captain Dave "It ssmed to be picked up more at the beginning of the season and cases sent to the Disciplinary committee, that seems to have tailed off now - whether this is due to a reduction in incidents , the attention has been switched elsewhere or the purge has finished I don't know.'"
A typical RFL clamp down that lasts 5 minutes then. No wonder they are rarely successful.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "A typical RFL clamp down that lasts 5 minutes then. No wonder they are rarely successful.
I seem to remember some years ago when a head high tackle was given a straight red as part of an initiative.
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| Whilst I agree that the wrestling at the tackle is messy & needs stamping out there is one problem with stopping it, as the sides are now 10 meters apart the wrestling /holding up is needed to alow the defence to set, the player who goes quickly to the ground gains an unfair advantage as opposed to one who attempts to break the tackle & gain ground. If the referees were to penalise for a voluntary tackle it might stop the practice.Jamie Bovil when he played for us was a prime example A great big hulk of a man who droped to the ground as soon as he was touched. The real problem is that as we alter rules to combat one supposed problem it often raises other unforseen issues. The game just needs to reflect & make its mind up what it wants to do or more important what the public want to watch. A slow war of atrition type game might be what people want? lets face it Sarecens got 45,000 to watch thier rubish this week end.
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| I’m still not sure we’ve got the balance right here. I know we’ve followed the NRLs interpretation of the rules, but having watched their grand final the rucks are still much cleaner & quicker than ours & the game doesn’t seem to suffer as much.
Here’s an idea. Why not allow a maximum of 2 players to be involved in a tackle at any given time when the ball carrying team is inside their own half. Once the ball has been carried into your half & you are defending your line there should be no restrictions.
It would be much harder for the defensive team to continually slow the PTB & pin the opposition deep in their own half if they couldn’t get extra bodies into the tackle. This might also encourage teams to be a bit more adventurous & attack from deep.
It wouldn’t the easiest rule to enforce, but would it be any more difficult than the ball stripping rule we already have? Just a thought.
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| Quote: Digger_the_Dog "So not someone with expertise then?
Case concluded
No just someone implementing the methods shown to him at Melbourne where all this started
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