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You've had injuries to key players. In the past you've had very good continuity in your halves which determine the team's personality whereas this season it's been more difficult. You haven't had your best forward, Newton, available for much of the time. The off field stuff can't have helped either. Your back three has also been affected with injury and just basically loss of form (Fox in particular). These things in combination conspire against you, particularly when squad depth in terms of quality isn't that deep.

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Quote: nick hkr "Not quite sure where you get that from out of the post I put? Justin and Rhys get on fine, in fact better than most people get on with their bosses I'd assume. As for Rhys and I, we enjoyed a cuppa while watching the Hull/Saints game after he'd left the fun day, discussing the finer things in life away from the game! Plus he's got to start performing soon he has to impress Mummy 'Oyster Bay' Lovegrove during June!!!!!





As for the Liam Watts comment, I was told (and not by Rhys before you say it!!) he is concentrating on making yards rather than looking for an offload at the moment and trying to get better at that part of his game. It has obviously stifled his natural game and for the good of this side I hope Justin is encouraging him to look for the offload once again. Saying this an unconfident team is not likely to be in support so a vicious circle the players themselves are going to have to get out of.

So Jase Netherton has performed solidly this season making only one error in 9 games, giving away 4 penalties and only missing 11 tackles yet making 211. Ok he could make more carries and meters but that isn't why he is in the team, it isn't his natural game. If all our forwards were top meter makers but not great defenders like say Wheeldon we'd be stuffed when it came to doing the dirty work.

If we compare the stats to Vella's who has played equal amount of games and considering he is an Australian international who is a more all round prop forward he is making a lot more carries but only a couple of hundred more meters in those extra 29 carries. He has made more errors, given away more penalties and missed more tackles. I am sure he has played more minutes than Jase too.

I am not saying Jase is anywhere near the standard of Mick Vella, that would be stupid, what I am saying is both are there to do a job. If your job was to sell cars you wouldn't be expected to service and MOT them, the same applies to players going out on the field.'"

Quote: nick hkr "So come on then name me another player in a top team (This is what we are aiming to be) that is in the side for their tackling only?
I think you will be having a long look trying to find one.
I have given out stats before that Netherton makes 1 offload every 10 games give or take a 0.02 chance.
He makes a tackle break every 0.43 games.
He wouldn't get anywhere near another good SL side.
You keep defending him if you want but the fact he constantly gets in the side of HKR proves one thing at least.
He is exactly the type of player JM wants (No flair and hardworking).
He is also a great example of why teams seem to have figured us out because we are a one trick pony.'"
I will take your lack of a responce to mean that I am correct and you can indeed not find another player like this at a top club.

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Quote: rover49 "The problem is, fans who have limited knowledge of the finer points want a team of Dobbo's, the don't get it that all teams need players like Nev, who just get stuck in doing the 'dirty work' as you alluded to. Nev gets through an enormous amount of work that allows the more 'glamerous' players to do the fancy stuff. I know he will never score a 50 mtr try or break several tackles to offload to a speedster, but I bet if you asked the rest of the squad (those that understand the game) the value of Nev to the team, they will all give their 100% backing. I think he will get a new deal, because he is a no nonsense grafter, who can be relied on when the going gets tough, plus he doesn't cost a fortune so he can easily be fitted into the squad.

If we let him go, another club WILL pick him up, for the reasons already raised.'"
You don't seem able to supply me with a name either.
How very strange.
Maybe he Isn't as 'needed' as it is made out after all.
That being the case I would class Jason Netherton (Nothing personal Jason mate honest) as a classic example of the kind of player that his holding us back.
Makes you wonder.
Strangely enough I asked a similar question on the 'other' board and I was greeted with the same wall of silence on there as well!! eusa_think.gif

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Korkidis at Wakey, he's rubbish.

Edit; Actually, just had a look at his stats. He's miles better than Netherton! icon_lol.gif The hunt continues!

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Nope, just had a very quick trawl through the squads and stats and all I've concluded is that Netherton has better hair than Karl "Cheese N" Temata and has missed nearly three times as many tackles as Ewan "Rubbish" Dowes.

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Quote: pmh "Korkidis at Wakey, he's rubbish.

Edit; Actually, just had a look at his stats. He's miles better than Netherton! icon_biggrin.gif

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Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!

I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.

Kudos to me I think!

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Quote: nick hkr "Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!

'"


Are you a prostitute?

Quote: nick hkr "
I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.

'"


Is this the same Ian Kirke that Leeds fans constantly deride and pretty all to a fan have absolutely no idea how he gets in the team or what the point of him is? That Ian Kirke?

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Kudos to me I think!'"


In that you've found a player as ineffectual as Netherton? Well done.

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Was asked to find a player at a top club that gets in the team every week and is like Netherton! Also Kirke has had at least 3 coaches who have all constantly picked him, there is a reason the Leeds fans are stood on the terraces and work for an average of about 20k a year compared to those three coaches that were or are earning at least five times that much!!!!

Us Monday morning coaches are writing on message boards for a reason!

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Very true. I'd be an awful coach, I'd be wanting to score eighty metre tries off every play.

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Quote: Roverswall "With the greatest of respect to Wakey, Crusaders and FC I did say top teams (Something we aim to be apparently).
Before anyone says it no this isn't a thinly veiled attack on Hull FC.'"

a050.gif You said top 'club' which Hull are. Team, no, but club, yes.

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Quote: nick hkr "Actually Roverswall I sleep through the day, work at night and had a very busy Thursday night so was unable to reply!

I would probably say Ian Kirke is a similar player that plays for a top team regularly. Last season they played almost as many games as each other and their stats are VERY similar.

Kudos to me I think!'"
Similar?
This season Kirke has made an average of 21 meters more per game, He has made an average of 1.6 more carries a game which means Ian Kirke makes an average of 1.29 meters more from all those extra carries.
He has also made more average offloads 0.25 compared to Jason Nethertons average of 0.22.
Still at least Jason Netherton has made more tackles (The benchmark of a SL forward apparently).
So not as similar as you think then.
But hey if you want to continue to think the like of Jason Netherton will take us onto the next level because he can tackle go for it.
I would like our forwards to do a little bit more.

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