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So Dane Tilse has as many NRL games as both of them combined and Russell and O’Brien and Simms definitely wouldn’t just walk into our team we’ve 4 better props than Simms and better backs than the other two

Simms better than Scruton
Russel better than Shaw

And Obrien would get in at halfback.

simms is well shot. with 7 or 8 due back for the middle 8s ,confident we will turn Toronto over ,think widnes and Salford will also

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Simms is garbage and has been for a few years I wouldn’t have Russell in front of Shaw and I wouldn’t have O’Brien in the halves in front of Atkin or Maguire

I liked Tilse don’t get me wrong, but he wasn’t cheap and would even argue that wouldn’t have been cheaper than Clinton.

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He was definitely cheaper than Clinton

So is Scruton, at least Simms off good leadership which Rovers seem to be lacking.

Will have to agree to disagree about Russell.

Atkins can't even get in front of Tommy Lee at halfback, I quite like the look of Atkins, but he is a bit raw and at this stage O Brien is a better player, I don't think it's any coincidence Salfords form has dropped off massively since he left.

I think that's more so on tommy lee's failure to be dynamic out of dummy half, but he does provide some direction from scrum half and done ok so can't knock him for that. However, as sheens alludes to today when lunt is back atkin will move back to scrum half to work with mcguire.

O'brien is a bang average scrum half, but a much better fullback. He would not get in my team above our half backs and he wouldn't get in at fullback over quinlan who has been excellent.

Russell - rocks and diamonds that kid. Does something excellent then something down right schoolboy. I probably would have him over shaw though such is shaws defensive liabilities.

Simms - 5 years a go maybe. if you replaced him for scurton you probably would not get any better, but probably not any worse. They are equal at best. If Scruton can pick up his form from last year when he monstered leighs big pack twice in two games, I'd pick him.

The only reason Atkin is playing at Hooker is because Lee is crap at hooker - slow etc. He's not much cop at HB either (loads of hospital passes) but Blair is bailing us out there (again). Marsh offers nothing either (at SL level).