8 seasons since promotion, I think established is a fair description by now.

8 seasons, if that is enough for you then fair enough, have you even contested a final in that time?

FC are only slightly ahead of you, I agree, but at least we BUY and not SELL players.

How much did you pay for Sneyd ?

Your right,you dont sell them you give them away,tom briscoe,luke briscoe,josh hodgson,ben crooks etc,need I say more .

The point I was making standee was about how far we'd come not another pi$$ing contest that this is turning into yes I know we haven't won the grand final or spent 100 grand on a player but it sure beats were we were in the nineties

ah right, apologies, KR have done well to progress, not quite sure where Chester will take you (or Radford FC in honesty), we've paid off players and paid for players that I personally would never have signed.

I hope I see a FC/KR or KR/FC CC or GF in my lifetime, I suggest neither of us hold our breath though!

Please don't confuse "successful" with "established".

We buy and sell players. We have had fees for 5 players in the last 2 years (Watts, Green, Taylor, Hodgson & Burns), we have paid 3 fees: A.Walker, Eden & Cockayne. You can argue about the sanity of the last one, but lets have a debate based on facts and not bollox.

To be honest Hull with the crowds they get and money they spend not always wisely but they can splash the cash have massively under achieved I don't see any other club getting 10000 plus crowds finishing were Hull have in recent seasons

In fairness I tend to agree with all this,Yeah OK some things may not have gone Hull's way in some instances but we have been there or there abouts regarding finals.Warrington for example have spent a kings ransom and get similar crowds to us and have only 2 challenge cups and 1 grand final more than us.admittedly they won't there cups at wembley, something we can only dream about..

If you honestly believe that then you are delusional. Warrington are a pretty consistent semi final side (think they’ve been to the semi’s of the play offs for 6 years in a row now.) generally a top 4 side, this year has been a blip for them and they’ve finished 6th. Add to that 2 CC wins and them being a regular in the semi’s. Your lot on the other hand have been more regularly in the bottom half of the table and have finished 12th twice in recent years. You are light years away from them in reality and a couple of good cup runs have masked what in all honesty has been a nightmare of a decade.

Frankie was talking about cap spend and crowd's, they should have won more trophies, imo.. I'm certainly not suggesting we are anywhere Warrington because we're not,and before 6 years ago where was warrington? Middle of the table at least.nightmare decade maybe so but we've been in finals and won the odd cup..

On that theory your light years behind us then pal

Very true. The last lot of owners bled the club dry and the current one seems happy to pump in ridiculous amounts of money to no avail. What neither have seen is that it doesn't matter what you spend on the playing staff, if you don't have the right coach then it's all for nothing