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Quote: pmh "Harsh, dum-dum's not defending him (I don't think) he's merely pointing out what an idiot Cockayne is.'"

Nah. Read his posts again. Shocked am I.

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Quote: WormInHand "Nah. Read his posts again. Shocked am I.'"



I don't know how he will cope

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Quote: MrPhilb "I don't know how he will cope'"


With counciling he will pull through.

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I thought Neil summed it up pretty well in his radio interview tonight. There is a "bigger picture" than whether Cockayne is a good (or even just an enthusiatic) player. Well played Hudge, bye bye Ben. Looks like you blew a contract.

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Quote: blakeysrobin "With counciling he will pull through.'"

icon_lol.gif I'm sure, like Ben, he won't give a flying one about my or anyone else's opinion. Perhaps he'll go sit in his shed and read a book. I suggest Roots.

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Quote: SirStan "I thought Neil summed it up pretty well in his radio interview tonight. There is a "bigger picture" than whether Cockayne is a good (or even just an enthusiatic) player. Well played Hudge, bye bye Ben. Looks like you blew a contract.'"


Good evening Stanley. What did you think to "Forever Changes"?

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Quote: WormInHand "Good evening Stanley. What did you think to "Forever Changes"?'"


Still not listened to it Wormy. I have been a bit busy of late. I'm sure I will eventually, keep reminding me.

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Quote: SirStan "Still not listened to it Wormy. I have been a bit busy of late. I'm sure I will eventually, keep reminding me.'"

You won't regret it. Everyone remembers when they got turned on to Love icon_wink.gif

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Quote: MrPhilb "Thanks for backing up my point'"


I am trying to figure out here if you are just ignorant or really dumb...You do know what beliefs are don't you ?

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Quote: berrigans bitch "I am trying to figure out here if you are just ignorant or really dumb...You do know what beliefs are don't you ?'"



Yes but when this is said

Quote: berrigans bitch "Not really the ultimate definition of a racist, though.

Suggesting someone is ugly and stinking due to their beliefs is a [ibit[/i racist, surely?'"


There is nothing racist about calling someone ugly and stinking because of thier beliefs, its very prejudiced but it's not racist is it??

Thats why I asked the question I did and thankfully while trying to be clever and score points against me you actually backed me up, thanks icon_biggrin.gifRUMMER:

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I don't remember all this fuss over Raynor.

What he does in his spare time doesn't bother me, it's what he did on the pitch that counted.

If not for the modern media surrounding the game, he would still be an Hull KR player.

I have alot of time for him, on every occasion I've met him he's been brilliant.

Can I just clarify I don't condone what he's been up to. I just don't care about it. Gone are the days of news being news and not what David Beckham had for breakfast.

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Quote: MrPhilb "Yes but when this is said

There is nothing racist about calling someone ugly and stinking because of thier beliefs, its very prejudiced but it's not racist is it??

Thats why I asked the question I did and thankfully while trying to be clever and score points against me you actually backed me up, thanks
If they are calling them ugly and stinking because of their beliefs are attached to religion or their culture it is then racism.. icon_frustrated.gif

You never asked a question though did you. You attempted to mock a poster and then ask that poster if he even knew what racism was when clearly you do not fully understand racism.

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Quote: dum-dum "I don't remember all this fuss over Raynor.

What he does in his spare time doesn't bother me, it's what he did on the pitch that counted.

If not for the modern media surrounding the game, he would still be an Hull KR player.

I have alot of time for him, on every occasion I've met him he's been brilliant.

Can I just clarify I don't condone what he's been up to. I just don't care about it. Gone are the days of news being news and not what David Beckham had for breakfast.'"


Unfortunately (or maybe fortunately) there is a direct link to how players behave on the pitch and how they behave off it. As a club we have to have an ethos of respect both to the club and to the fans. By being directly disrespectful to the management it can cause a ripple effect that the younger players who will start to behave in a similar manner to the the senior players. You see it all the time at sporting clubs, the terms drinking culture, gambling culture are often used and its never in positive terms either on or off the pitch.
Hudgell pushed the boundaries for Ben, because as he said he has a lot of time for the boys that got us up. Yet every time he drew a line Ben stepped over it. The last case was his least serious but the accumalatory effect couldn't be ignored.
For me the facebook one was the worst, that could directly effect both our clubs name and its ability to attract fans into the ground. Whether Ben is an out and out racist or just someone with latent (subconcious) racist predujices is now known but if I was an Asian man with a young family I'm not sure I'd be happy taking my kids to watch a club that idolises someone who openly expressed those views.
I've been accused with being 'anti-Ben', I assure you I'm not and would have loved it if non of these incidents had happened, or even if he'd learned after his first one, I liked him as a player, didn;t think he was the Billy Slater a lot made him out to be either but the correct, and only decision has been taken.

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Talking to someone yesterday it would have been interesting to see which players would have fallen foul of club rules if twitter, facebook and mobile camera phones had been around in the 80's and early 90's.

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