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| Quote: Roverswall "I think the idea stinks TBH but we are not breaking any rules and I can't see how it will make it harder as players leave clubs and retire all the time. You replace the player with the best available and just because the player leaving has an aussie accent makes the fact you need to replace him not diffrent from having to replace any player.
I do belive you have said similar things yourself in the bast though
I guess the point is that the better British players are tending to move less now as clubs build their long term plans around them and if Rovers next year gave say 10 overseas players at some point they'll have to replace them with senior British players in the next 2-3 years, which could be harder than for a team that has fewer than 10. The issue for me is that some clubs have geared up for 5 max next season and whittled down overseas player numbers accordingly. Others haven't and are therefore advantaged by this latest change . But that's the RFL all over - set out some guiding principles around franchising to reduce overseas players then change the rules to allow some teams to have, say, 10 in the final year of the first round.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I guess the point is that the better British players are tending to move less now as clubs build their long term plans around them and if Rovers next year gave say 10 overseas players at some point they'll have to replace them with senior British players in the next 2-3 years, which could be harder than for a team that has fewer than 10. The issue for me is that some clubs have geared up for 5 max next season and whittled down overseas player numbers accordingly. Others haven't and are therefore advantaged by this latest change . But that's the RFL all over - set out some guiding principles around franchising to reduce overseas players then change the rules to allow some teams to have, say, 10 in the final year of the first round.
Players will always move between clubs even if they are not Aussies.
If we were so hard fast to keep all our aussie why was Fitzy let go when he had found good form at the back end of his last year?
Infact I could be wrong but didn't we bring in Colbon as his replacement?
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| Quote: barham red "I was just saying that to my mate the other day, If only cookie could have played for us like he is for wakey now. Ever since he left we haven't won a game or scored many points yet wakey have gone from strength to strength.
There fans only this week carried cooke around on there shoulders after his massive points haul as he masterminded the destruction of a talented hudds side...
Anyway back in the real world, he still hides from the ball in every game except when he's playing FC and the fans think he's a fat waste of space... oh well your point would have been valid if it wasn't 100% wrong.'"
Although Cooke isn't the player he once was he was still a much better play maker than Dobson was when you brought him in, they weren't exactly much better when he didn't play on Sunday were they? Players detoriate (look at Vella).
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| Quote: Roverswall "Briscoe, Fox to name 2 that we have got in the off season from other SL clubs.
Players will always move between clubs even if they are not Aussies.
If we were so hard fast to keep all our aussie why was Fitzy let go when he had found good form at the back end of his last year?
Infact I could be wrong but didn't we bring in Colbon as his replacement?'"
At some point though you'll have to get back to 5 and all I'm saying is it might be more difficult than from a starting point of 6. I'm not having a go. But some clubs are better placed to ramp up overseas numbers such that the majority of their first choice 17 is overseas. I don't really think that's in the spirit of what the RFL set out to do with franchising yet is an inevitable by--product of their shambolic rule-changing.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Although Cooke isn't the player he once was he was still a much better play maker than Dobson was when you brought him in, they weren't exactly much better when he didn't play on Sunday were they? Players detoriate (look at Vella).'"
Who up until his injury has been playing some of his best rugby in a red and white shirt.
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| Quote: Roverswall "Briscoe, Fox to name 2 that we have got in the off season from other SL clubs.
Players will always move between clubs even if they are not Aussies.
If we were so hard fast to keep all our aussie why was Fitzy let go when he had found good form at the back end of his last year?
Infact I could be wrong but didn't we bring in Colbon as his replacement?'"
Maybe because he wanted to leave? You did replace Colbon with him however the fact is if you bring in the 3 players (Green, Bailey and Mason) you're starting 17 would probably look something like this;
Briscoe
Fox
Welham
Webster
Colbon
Green
Dobson
Clinton
Fisher
Mason
Newton
Galea
Murrell
Lovegrove
Bailey
Vella
Hodgson
11 out of your 17 will be born out of the UK (Or 65% of the team). That's disgraceful IMO. Vella, Netwon, Galea, Mason fair enough, even Clinton but what about players like Bailey, Fisher, Lovegrove? Surely an English player could do a much better job than them?
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Maybe because he wanted to leave? You did replace Colbon with him however the fact is if you bring in the 3 players (Green, Bailey and Mason) you're starting 17 would probably look something like this;
Briscoe
Fox
Welham
Webster
Colbon
Green
Dobson
Clinton
Fisher
Mason
Newton
Galea
Murrell
Lovegrove
Bailey
Vella
Hodgson
11 out of your 17 will be born out of the UK (Or 65% of the team). That's disgraceful IMO. Vella, Netwon, Galea, Mason fair enough, even Clinton but what about players like Bailey, Fisher, Lovegrove? Surely an English player could do a much better job than them?'"
If an English player could do a better job then you have nothing to worry about because we will be languishing at the bottom of the table with no wins and no hope
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "
11 out of your 17 will be born out of the UK (Or 65% of the team). That's disgraceful IMO. Vella, Netwon, Galea, Mason fair enough, even Clinton but what about players like Bailey, Fisher, Lovegrove? Surely an English player could do a much better job than them?'"
Like anyone round here gives a about your opinion!
As things stand, we have 1 more overseas player than you, everything else is media speculation.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Although Cooke isn't the player he once was he was still a much better play maker than Dobson was when you brought him in, they weren't exactly much better when he didn't play on Sunday were they? Players detoriate (look at Vella).'"
Dobson wasn't here when we got Cooke Webster was and in all fairness he never really shone apart from maybe a couple of derbies and the odd match here and there. Now Webster was dropped because Dobbo was the better prospect (and webster's an aussie). When we played wakey Cooke looked much the same as he did for us, pretty average wheras Dobson continues to perform at the highest level.
Players do deteriorate (look at all of FC's H/B's over the last 3 years )but they shouldn't in there mid 20's, Cooke did and in his full HKR career he has never been better than Dobson. I'd go as far as to say Cooke at his very best is not better than Dobson at his very best.
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| Quote: barham red "Dobson wasn't here when we got Cooke Webster was and in all fairness he never really shone apart from maybe a couple of derbies and the odd match here and there. Now Webster was dropped because Dobbo was the better prospect (and webster's an aussie). When we played wakey Cooke looked much the same as he did for us, pretty average wheras Dobson continues to perform at the highest level.
Players do deteriorate (look at all of FC's H/B's over the last 3 years
Yup I know that's what I meant. Does Dobson continue to perform at the highest level? I could name 6 or 7 HB's I'd take over him in SL. Yet Cooke's lead a team to win a CC and got a SL GF at his very best, Dobson has done what?
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I make that 7 out of 13 thats more than half the team o/seas and this is from a team that supposedly is the benchmark for youth development..
All a matter of which colour glasses you have on I suppose.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Yup I know that's what I meant. Does Dobson continue to perform at the highest level? I could name 6 or 7 HB's I'd take over him in SL. Yet Cooke's lead a team to win a CC and got a SL GF at his very best, Dobson has done what?'"
Go on then name them?
Cooke wasn;t captain of the CC team or the GF team. So to say he led them is a bit misleading. Working on your logic Ryan Bailey is a better prop than James Graham as he's won the GF more.
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| Quote: barham red "Tansey
Meli
Yeaman
Turner
Briscoe
Horne
Long
Fitzgibbon
Manu
Lauiki
O'Meley
Berrigan
Moa
I make that 7 out of 13 thats more than half the team o/seas and this is from a team that supposedly is the benchmark for youth development..
All a matter of which colour glasses you have on I suppose.'"
Or 7 out of 17 which is pretty much in line with everyone else. I could have a starting 13 with 11 out 13 players not born in the UK for Hull KR. P.s. we're not the benchmark for youth development see Wigan or Leeds.
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| Quote: Old_Faithful_IAKW "Or 7 out of 17 which is pretty much in line with everyone else. I could have a starting 13 with 11 out 13 players not born in the UK for Hull KR. P.s. we're not the benchmark for youth development see Wigan or Leeds.'"
We could name a team featuring 17 British players if everyone was fit, what is your point?
In Fact here you go
Briscoe
Fox
Welham
Ratu
Latus
Murrell
Spaven
Wheeldon
Hodgson
Mills
Netherton
Taylor
Watts
Mariano
Beaumont
Cockayne
Walker
And only one of those hasn't played in the Super League, so we are hardly destroying the core of the English game are we
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| Quote: barham red "Go on then name them?
Cooke wasn;t captain of the CC team or the GF team. So to say he led them is a bit misleading. Working on your logic Ryan Bailey is a better prop than James Graham as he's won the GF more.'"
In my team I'd rather have;
Long, Sinfield, Chase, Tomkins, Eastmond and Briers than him.
I'm not saying that the fact he's played in the GF and CC more than Dobson is absolute proof however it's clear that the HB is a vital cog in a team - perhaps the single most vital (see us and Bradford in recent years for proof). Cooke has being a very important player for a team who have won the CC final and got to a grand final and has proven he can be a top player in a top team whereas Dobson hasn't.
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