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| In fact scratch that this clears it up.
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“Federation” means the RLEF;
B1:12A At the time of notification in any season of the Provisional First Team Squad and First Team Squad and following any amendments during the season , a Club‟s First Team Squad, where that Club is in Super League, must consist of:
(a) a maximum of 5 players who satisfy none of the definitions of Club
Trained , Federation Trained or are working towards either classification.
(b) a minimum of 8 Club Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards that classification.
(c) the remainder being made up of Club Trained, Federation Trained Players or Academy Juniors working towards either classification
So French players count as the same federation as UK based players as the term RLEF means Europe wide. I'm pretty certain that wasn't the case previously though although I could be wrong.
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| If it is true, I don't understand why Rovers would want to bring in a player on loan?
If we are in the midst of the season and short handed then yes, but this is different although it does seem to be the norm in football.
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| Quote: Diablo1967 "Another loan player? Really?'"
I know, an absolute disgrace to go alongside last season enormous total of two.
Disgusting.
I am aware that I've enlightened you in the past as to how a loan works in reality and I would explain it again, but as you clearly have some from of degenerative brain disease and I don't want for you to feel patronised I shall desist.
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "If it is true, I don't understand why Rovers would want to bring in a player on loan?
If we are in the midst of the season and short handed then yes, but this is different although it does seem to be the norm in football.'"
Could it be the year loan deal will give him chance to see if he can settle in another country?
I would think this is a better option than giving him a three year deal and him then deciding he doesn't like living in England
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "In fact scratch that this clears it up.
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“Federation” means the RLEF;
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The bosman rule applies as he will be an EU national and they cannot be discriminated against in employment law.
As the majority of Rugby League players are from the pacific (asia) then the RL can legally limit the number of their nationals playing in their competition.
Hope we get him loan or permanent. Another good defender accordong to his stats looks a handful in attack too. Jon Walker is another who defends well.
Looks like Sandercock is addressing our poor defence.
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| Quote: Mulder "Could it be the year loan deal will give him chance to see if he can settle in another country?
I would think this is a better option than giving him a three year deal and him then deciding he doesn't like living in England'"
Good point
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| Quote: Mulder "Could it be the year loan deal will give him chance to see if he can settle in another country?
I would think this is a better option than giving him a three year deal and him then deciding he doesn't like living in England'"
Valid point and bearing in mind what happened with paterson last year could be shrewd move !!
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "I know, an absolute disgrace to go alongside last season enormous total of two.
Disgusting.
I am aware that I've enlightened you in the past as to how a loan works in reality and I would explain it again, but as you clearly have some from of degenerative brain disease and I don't want for you to feel patronised I shall desist.'"
He doesn't understand loans unless Wonga explain it to him properly, using small words in big print.
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| Quote: Mulder "Could it be the year loan deal will give him chance to see if he can settle in another country?
I would think this is a better option than giving him a three year deal and him then deciding he doesn't like living in England'"
this would maybe leave it open for other clubs to come In for him after seeing how he gets on with us.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "The bosman rule applies as he will be an EU national and they cannot be discriminated against in employment law.
As the majority of Rugby League players are from the pacific (asia) then the RL can legally limit the number of their nationals playing in their competition.
Hope we get him loan or permanent. Another good defender accordong to his stats looks a handful in attack too. Jon Walker is another who defends well.
Looks like Sandercock is addressing our poor defence.'"
The Bosman rule has nothing to do with it if it did then why did the 'My dead gran was Scottish so you cant stop me playing' come to an end with the non fed rule. I would imagine it is more the case that there are so few European players that it is unwise to limit their playing chances.
Put if this way if the Bosman rule is such a worry then why are we ignoring the Kolpack rule which has just as much legal weight behind it?
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| What actually counts as the 'Federation' from which a player has to be trained? If it is the Super league and or lower leagues, and Laroyer has played his junior rugby in Catalans system, them being a member of our competition, as a super league club, must surely count him as fed trained. If not where do you draw the line? Yorkshire players only count for Yorkshire clubs etc?
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| Quote: Dudley "What actually counts as the 'Federation' from which a player has to be trained? If it is the Super league and or lower leagues, and Laroyer has played his junior rugby in Catalans system, them being a member of our competition, as a super league club, must surely count him as fed trained. If not where do you draw the line? Yorkshire players only count for Yorkshire clubs etc?'"
Fed trained means trained in our federation which is RLEF (Rugby League European Federation). RLEF is SL and any leagues below.
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| Quote: Dudley "What actually counts as the 'Federation' from which a player has to be trained? If it is the Super league and or lower leagues, and Laroyer has played his junior rugby in Catalans system, them being a member of our competition, as a super league club, must surely count him as fed trained. If not where do you draw the line? Yorkshire players only count for Yorkshire clubs etc?'" I have already answered that it any club under the RLEF umbrella.
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "The Bosman rule has nothing to do with it if it did then why did the 'My dead gran was Scottish so you cant stop me playing' come to an end with the non fed rule. I would imagine it is more the case that there are so few European players that it is unwise to limit their playing chances.
Put if this way if the Bosman rule is such a worry then why are we ignoring the Kolpack rule which has just as much legal weight behind it?'"
I dont know the minutia of these 'trade/legal agreements but the EU rules relating to French players mirrors the Bosman rule which he used to challenge the cap of EU players and contract rules. Hence in football they still have a cap on non EU players but can't have on EU players. The football clubs and their lawyers have been very creative getting around it ending with the farcical situation in Italy of Veron and Crespo etc getting Italian passports because a distant old relative had once sailed passed Italy.
Wenger is part owner in a football acadamy in Ivory Coast. The players who are any good, Toures, Drogba, Eboue etc then get moved to a club in Belgium. There you can get a Belgian passport and EU visa much easier. Once they have these they can be sold to any of the big EU based teams avoiding the quota issue. At one stage I think it was Mechelan had a whole team of young players from Ivory Coast.
We tried these tricks with Ben Galea and his Maltese passport ending with the Mason fiasco. The EU is trying to close all these loopholes the Maltese passport route being one of them as previously I beleive it was very easy to qualify for a Maltese passport
The Kolpac treaty is far less vigorous or covers other aspects of trade employment law that the far reaching EU treaty does hence the constant blurring of boundries for these quotas. Plus these countries don't have the finacial clout to get a treaty with a decent outcome for their citizens compared to the EU countries.
If superleague tried to limit the number of French players in English clubs they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court. They get round it by using the european and australian federations as references for quotas.
Sorry for any confusion. I used the Bosman case as it was the most publisised. It is an example of many court cases of employment/contract issues re EU nationals.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "If superleague tried to limit the number of French players in English clubs they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in court. They get round it by using the european and australian federations as references for quotas.
Sorry for any confusion. I used the Bosman case as it was the most publisised. It is an example of many court cases of employment/contract issues re EU nationals.'" Sorry but this is the key point you are missing IMHO. ANY EU citizen is included in the rule you mention.
It doesn't start or stop at the place of birth. That was why I mentioned 'My dead granny was Scottish so you can't stop me' as my example. If it went to court they wouldn't have a leg to stand on in regard to those players either.
Non fed means exactly that and I'm pretty sure that previously it meant that the FFR were counted as a separate federation to the RFL. I assume common sense has prevailed as there are so few quality European players that restricting them was self defeating.
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