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| It all looks too easy for lynne in the U20's, hence him looking like he isn't interested. Needed to go out on a dual reg last season for a year and would have been much better by now if he had
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| i haven't seen that much of him but I do remember thinking he was dangerous with ball in hand when he played in the KC derby two(?) years ago. Seemed to have good speed, a step and an elusive running style.
Not sure how his defence is but I'm a big believer that most players can be coached to be at least profficient.
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| can you guys tell me whats going on with watts? he hasnt been in your side laterly. has is form dipped,
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| Quote: hull2524 "can you guys tell me whats going on with watts? he hasnt been in your side laterly. has is form dipped,'"
His progress has been erratic - for a while he'll look like he could be the next big thing, then he does nowt for a period.
2008, very young, but apparently very promising. 2009, shipped out to Gateshead on loan which seemingly works as a kick up the backside. 2010, does enough to earn himself a place in the England elite squad for 2011. 2011, called a 'larrikin' by no lesser larrikin than Willie Mason (!), and makes a bid for police, camera, action fame. 2012, in and out the team - we have 3 players in the Knights squad with a year to run on their deals (he's not ooc after all, it seems), and we're looking to extend the contracts of Josh Hodgson and Scott Taylor.
In some ways I'm glad he's got a year left - by the end of 2013 I think we'll have a good idea one way or another.
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| A bit odd that there's confidence Sandercock can improve Lyne. Gentle's not developed him, fair enough, but we have seen improvements in some players - Turner and Sharp for example. Bowden and Crooks have broken through. Houghton remains an England Knights pick and is a very effective hooker for us. On Sandercock's side, Taylor's stepped up, Hall has delivered the same mixed bag of the last umpteen years and your two closest prospects for international selection, Welham and Watts, have stepped back and stalled respectively. Are Sandercock and Chester so superior in developing players to Gentle and Hay that it's a given that all young players will come on leaps and bounds under them? Not convinced the evidence is unequivocal at this point tbh, but could well prove to be so.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "A bit odd that there's confidence Sandercock can improve Lyne. Gentle's not developed him, fair enough, but we have seen improvements in some players - Turner and Sharp for example. Bowden and Crooks have broken through. Houghton remains an England Knights pick and is a very effective hooker for us. On Sandercock's side, Taylor's stepped up, Hall has delivered the same mixed bag of the last umpteen years and your two closest prospects for international selection, Welham and Watts, have stepped back and stalled respectively. Are Sandercock and Chester so superior in developing players to Gentle and Hay that it's a given that all young players will come on leaps and bounds under them? Not convinced the evidence is unequivocal at this point tbh, but could well prove to be so.'"
You forgot to put 'in your opinion'! I could make generalized sweeping statements about members of Hull FCs squad but choose not to start an argument. How about you do the same pet!
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "You forgot to put 'in your opinion'! I could make generalized sweeping statements about members of Hull FCs squad but choose not to start an argument. How about you do the same pet!'"
True though.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "A bit odd that there's confidence Sandercock can improve Lyne.'"
Could you cite some examples of this confidence?
I know you think we're a hubristic lot, not at all like the ever-humble fans of Hull , but what possible contortions of interpretation have provoked you now, I don't know.
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| Quote: Barnabus "True though.'"
In your opinion Barnabus. Welham isn't any worse than last year. Its just that because our whole team have been defensively rubbish, it highlights this flaw in his game. Watts performances going forward haven't dramatically changed this year either. He has however seemed to give away more penalties around the ruck. This may be him struggling with Sandercock's new structures he has put in place. This is all my opinion though so if anyone would like to shoot me down with stats (Mrs B) then go ahead.
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| Quote: R.B.A "Reece Lyn has told Hull that he wants out. Havnt heard anything to suggest that Rovers are interested but he is young and British which fits in with our current signing criteria. Could Craig Sandercock make something of him?'" Reece Lynn is 1 of those players that needs to get out of the city to get away from 'clingers on' that drag him down IMO.
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| Quote: The Hollywood Frasier "Reece Lynn is 1 of those players that needs to get out of the city to get away from 'clingers on' that drag him down IMO.'"
He should move to Wetwang.
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: The Hollywood Frasier " 'clingers on'.'"
I've had them, made a terrible mess of me undercrackers, had to get a farmer to shave 'em off with his sheep shears.
Lynn's must be like boulders if there dragging him down.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "A bit odd that there's confidence Sandercock can improve Lyne. Gentle's not developed him, fair enough, but we have seen improvements in some players - Turner and Sharp for example. Bowden and Crooks have broken through. Houghton remains an England Knights pick and is a very effective hooker for us. On Sandercock's side, Taylor's stepped up, Hall has delivered the same mixed bag of the last umpteen years and your two closest prospects for international selection, Welham and Watts, have stepped back and stalled respectively. Are Sandercock and Chester so superior in developing players to Gentle and Hay that it's a given that all young players will come on leaps and bounds under them? Not convinced the evidence is unequivocal at this point tbh, but could well prove to be so.'"
Players who have improved under Sandercock:
1. Josh Hodgson
(huge gap)
2. Scott Taylor
3. Craig Hall
4. Liam Salter
5. Clinton (although its a marginal improvement!)
Players who appear to have gone backwards:
1. Liam Watts
That's about it. Welham is just the same, although it looks like he missed more tackles, that's likely to Galea missing a chunk of the season (he defends next to him and does the donkey work).
I don't get this Sandercock v Gentle rubbish. As things stand (and this is purely my opinion), Gentle is showing that he has more experience and the step up the Head Coach has been easier for him to make. That's not to say Sandercock won't make it, I just think he's starting further back on the grid. It's not for me to judge your coach. I will judge ours on next years performances, unlike the knee jerk brigade.
I'm just glad he's presently not slagging refs or pointing out the opposition internationals. This could change back after back-to-back defeats!
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| Quote: SirStan "Players who have improved under Sandercock
It's easy to improve when you've set your performance benchmark as low as Clinton has set his since he's been here.
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