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| Obviously a hint of trollage, but there were 14 players over 30 on show in the Grand Final. Hodgson, Briers, Sinfield, Peacock, Morley, Westwood, Waterhouse, Monaghan x2, Higham, Kirke, JJB, Leuluai, Burrow.
Pursuing the youth route as one dimension of recruitment should be applauded, but the reality is that a significant proportion of senior, experienced players is a key feature of this season's most successful sides. Perhaps your last two signings, of a quality that Eddie Hemmings stated will please Rovers fans, will fill this slight gap.
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| @suttonrobin . That is the most one sided blinkered view ive every read . Hats off
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "@suttonrobin . That is the most one sided blinkered view ive every read . Hats off'"
One sided? I only have 1 side- Hull KR. As for blinkered, I am under no illusion that this season is going to be nothing but a struggle, but there is nothing wrong with having a bit of passion and hope.
However there is no pressure as we have not pushed the boat out on signings this season, just replacing players who have left.
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "@suttonrobin . That is the most one sided blinkered view ive every read . Hats off'"
you havent been on the hull board lately then
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| Key for rovers is keeping dobson fit. if you do then you'll probably be 7th or 8th as I think bradford will go backwards and wakefield fluked their way into the 8 last year. None of the others will trouble the 8. Top 6 is pretty much set in stone (Although there could always be a surpirise in store)
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| Hull fans.
Opinions as welcome as they are, rather smashing.
But Edit-No chance and you know it-I know you can see the sticky so how about you read and understand it this time?-AS right off with your at's (@) and hash tags (#).
Stick to being rubbish on twitter.
Good use of awful grammar for affect.
I unfortunately have West Hull blood, bring it?
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| Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "Hull fans.
Opinions as welcome as they are, rather smashing.
But Edit-No chance and you know it-I know you can see the sticky so how about you read and understand it this time?-AS right off with your at's (@) and hash tags (#).
Stick to being rubbish on twitter.
Good use of awful grammar for affect.
I unfortunately have West Hull blood, bring it?'"
Not on twitter , neverbeen and never will be on twitter
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "Not on twitter , neverbeen and never will be on twitter'"
I see what you mean about the poor use of grammar.
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| I have split the squad into two groups:
Experienced/Established SL players: 18 players
Hall; D Hodgson, Welham, Gleeson, Caro; Burns, Dobson; Paea, J Hodgson, Tuimavave; Mika, Paterson; Lovegrove. Withers, O’hara, Horne, Cox, Netherton
Fringe players (with SL experience): 10 players
Latus, Salter, Green, Beaumont, Griffin, Petersen (OOC), Carlile, Johnson, Brown, Heil
NB: Netherton is rumoured to be going to Australia and Petersen is OOC but could be Cutters-bound.
Is Rovers squad stronger than last year? Of the players who have left, based on last season Taylor will be missed the most. The others have been replaced by better value players, with the overseas signings bringing strong and aggressive defence, which is a must.
The established group of SL players has experience and mobility, and the fringe includes ten players with SL experience (mainly blooded last season) which gives the squad depth. However, I feel the squad needs more cover and competition at full back, prop, loose and half back (Beharell/Bell?).
Is the squad stronger, well yes on the basis of having a fully fit squad of first choice players - gone are the sick notes and the stale. The squad also has a good sprinkle of cover, and has genuine pace on the fringes. However, I will counter this on two fronts; Burns will miss the first 5-6 matches, and Tui and Paterson have been playing 2nd grade rugby so will take time to adjust to SL (we had the same problem with Paea & Mika), and, if Rovers don’t bring in extra cover (either from outside or within) it will leave the squad very thin once wear and tear kicks in.
What improvements are needed? Without a doubt the defence needs to be more aggressive and effective. I’ve already alluded to the defensive capabilities of the new overseas signings, hopefully they will lead by example, but one particular area that needs addressing is the missed tackle count. CS really needs to sort the main culprits out.
The other improvement is marshalling the PTB area. Withers, Josh H, Horne and O’hara need to be smarter around this area. Burns likes to operate in this area so he should make an impact (hopefully legal).
Is the squad good enough to get into the play-offs? It is generally felt amongst Rovers coaching staff and players that a 10% improvement in all areas would have secured a play-off place. I sort of agree with this, especially in defence. Rovers go-forward and offence was very good for most of the season, but this tended to be let down too many times by poor decision-making and defensive lapses. If the new players can settle, the team doesn’t suffer the same injury nightmare, and that 10% is found then I think 7/8th is not unrealistic.
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| Split the squad into 2 groups: fit to play, not fit to play. This will change every week during the season.
Why does everyone look at this based on having a fully fit squad? Last year we had injuries? Guess what, it will be the same next year, and the same for all the other teams. Obviously, Hull's will be worse, but some things are constant in life.
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| Quote: SirStan "Split the squad into 2 groups
I haven't split the squad in terms of fit to play, not fit to play.
I agree with you about the injuries during the season which is why depth of SL experience is very important. If you go back to the start of last season, before a ball was passed or kicked, we were without O'hara, Green, and Webster. Next season we will start off without Burns (up to now) - fit to play but banned!
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "I haven't split the squad in terms of fit to play, not fit to play.
I agree with you about the injuries during the season which is why depth of SL experience is very important. If you go back to the start of last season, before a ball was passed or kicked, we were without O'hara, Green, and Webster. Next season we will start off without Burns (up to now) - fit to play but banned!'"
i wouldnt have put caro in the experienced group of players he wasnt a regular in londons team
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| The thing we have lost this year more than anything else is experience.
Galea will be missed massively as I think he was last year due to his constant in and out the team. I think the decision to let go was the correct one but we needed to get in an experienced head in 2nd row. time will tell how we go without him.
Webster had a lot of experience, again like the above he never played enough for us to benefit.
Clinton was a pudding, no loss at all.
Murrell will be more of a loss than a lot think, he was a player who could seem to pick the team up when it was getting tough.
Taylor it goes without saying is a loss, yet its a position I feel we can fill.
McDonnell, I wouldn;t have minded losing if we had kept Sherriff, Hall at FB fills me with dread, hopefully we sign a real FB.
Green, never looked fit last year, will see if he gets it back but in Wigans side he's bound to look good.
Are we stronger this year, No. if we don;t have any more ins then we are at best similar. Maybe CS will get the extra 10% we need but I think it could be a long season ahead.
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| Last year I remember poking fun @ the media who predicted we'd struggle and had us anything from 9-12th. They stated that we'd miss the experience factor of Briscoe/Vella/Newton and tbf I think they were spot on. With Galea now added to that list our lack of experience/leaders does worry me somewhat.
I think overall we replaced man for man better last season but what we gained in quality we lost in heart/bottle/commitment etc. Over the years the likes of (above) Cockayne/Fox/Fisher even Colbon were players who wore the shirt with distinction and got what it meant to represent HKR. Whether or not this was a JM quality that rubbed off on the team, I don't know. But CS now has clean slate to work with, and as NH said - 'judge him with his own team'.
FWIW, I think he has a tough assignment. We look very light in terms of overall depth. I can't imagine our recruitment is finished, so I hope we've got one or two still to come in and the likes of Netherton/Peterson stop for another year - in terms of numbers.
I think everyone would agree the obvious area to improve is defence, both collectively and individually. But also, how to play from 60-80 mins. We lost so many tight games, where in a lot of cases we were architects of our own downfall in this period.
We've clearly downsized our squad/budget for next season and CS' remit of developing our youngsters will come to the fore. I'm not realistically expecting any better than 8th-12th. Injuries will play their part and may decide how well we go. Could be a case of short term pain for long term gain.
Looking fwd to seeing how Salter/Green/Burns go.
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| I think we need a fb and a prop and well challenge for the top 8 (bottom end of course) where well get these players is another matter as there isn't much out there.
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