Pity he didn't play in the derby then or you might have won

Think he'll be appreciated a bit more when he has retired? Agree about last year but he wasn't on his own there.Does a lot of hard graft and v Hudds and yesterday was immense

I think he has been good this season and certainly not a passenger, but when you've seen when you've seen his best you know he isn't there. 2015 and 2016 were as good a 2nd rower for HKR as I've seen since Galea or Newton in their pomp, albeit in a team not good enough for him.

He doesn't have the line break that he had a couple of seasons ago, so I have no problems in saying he isn't as good as he was. The 2015/2016 version could get into most SL backrows, the current version most prob still has merit for inclusion in some, but he needs a lot more nights like Saturday to be considered as a relevant top SL backrower.

In 2016 he played half back for most of the season

Other than telling me ur a bit pedantic I aren't sure how to respond???

His ability to cover the halves doesn't make him a bad 2nd row option, just as the occasions when Newton covered centre and Galea covered the halves didn't make them any less of a 2nd row.

I wasn't trying to be pedantic it's just that he really didn't play SR that much due to injuries to Campese and to a lesser extent Kelly and I never said anything about him been a bad SR option quite the opposite in fact and you can't really compare his situation to Newton and Galea as they played in there SR positions 99% of the time

In Peggys world anyone pulling on a KR jersey is crap.Any young B&W is a future international.Kelly Taylor Watts and Paea were crud until guru Radford coached them. Back to this weekend and our win over Widnes was the only 2 points gained by those in the Middle 8 scrap .Catalans Salford Hudds Hull and Wakey all tasted the bitterness of defeat.

Fair dos. I think the comparison stands up, but I understand what you are saying.

In terms if the Widnes game my overriding emotion is relief! A home loss against what was a pretty poor Widnes team (with in game adversity) would have been a bit of a blow for morale. It doesn't change the feeling that the season will continue to be a slog, I just hope it eases the anxiety levels of some supporters.

Only in craigey's world. I've said many a time I see oakes ending up at Hull as he starts to achieve his potential and lawler and mulhern would go well in our pack. You also have some other good young players coming through so could be some good pickings for us in the next few years.

As for your more senior players, none are better than their counterpart at Hull and most significantly weaker.

Maybe you could like me to the bits where I've said all of our young players are future internationals or those players mentioned were "crud" until radford coached them?

You're in a mini league of 5 so beating the other 4 is important. You still have hudds and salford of those to play at home so those 4 points could be crucial

I think the biggest thing to come out of the Widnes game was the way we handled the sinbinning, too start the 10 minute spell as poorly as we did and recover showed pretty good character, there injuries obviously played some part but after they'd scored there tries i feared the worst.

Very tough run of games coming up now, 7 tough fixtures IMO.

I can't see Oakes ending up at Hull as he doesn't weigh 18 st so won't fit into Radfords copying of the Bradford model from the 2000s

Its not a bad model to copy in all fairness mate

It did work for them for a decade or so but times have changed Hull look great sometimes but like on Friday when they come up against a good team they can look very ordinary and clueless