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| Quote: barham red "Quick question. Do you think the win was all part of some fantastic game plan by master tactician Radford? You have the best squad you've ever had in SL (your words not mine) and yet you still can only scrape a win against not only the poorest side in SL (again your words) but the poorest side missing key players. The only time you looked any good was when your players threw the game plan out and played desperation rugby.
I'd give you the bit about beating us in 18 minutes if you'd blown us away then put the cue on the rack but to say that was the plan in the world of fantasy.
You'll win nothing with that coach, no game plan will always fail when the chips are down against the big boys.'"
The Radford debate is a non debate and you are right. However in a thread about our squad for tomorrow he is irrelevant.
We are forced to draft in teenagers, one who is 16? Why? Because our Board decided a small squad reliant on two expensive and injury prone halves was a good strategy. Because our Board decided to get rid of a raft of players in the 19-23 age bracket. Because our Board decided Bradford Bulls conditioning was the benchmark. Because our Board decided Lunt on a four year deal was good business. Because the result of these Board decisions has been playing injured players and compounding the issues. Is it right that we don't even provide massage to players now and they have to pay for it themselves.
Before we get the blame placed on Chester for recruitment - who decided he was worth a three year deal and who signed off his recruits? The reality is that without the current Board we would not be in Super League. It is also that they have made some average/poor/terrible choices over the last five years yet we are happy to "blame" injuries, Chester, Sandercock, Dixon, referees or Tony Christie rather than look at the decisions they've made and their consequences. It looks like our return from a possible 20 points could be 3 and the decisions that created this (ie coaching appointments, unbalanced too small risky squad, conditioning choices) were poor. It's hard to see how we can keep it respectable tomorrow but here's hoping to because exposing our young players to a hammering would be counter productive.
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| no cup final for me, but id lie if I said i wasn't over the moon after the match as am no doubt you would have been,Its a derby for goodness sake, like all fc or rovers supporters we make the most before the next derby whereas it all begins again,
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| Quote: Zook Ema's Hose "The Radford debate is a non debate and you are right. However in a thread about our squad for tomorrow he is irrelevant.
We are forced to draft in teenagers, one who is 16? Why? Because our Board decided a small squad reliant on two expensive and injury prone halves was a good strategy. Because our Board decided to get rid of a raft of players in the 19-23 age bracket. Because our Board decided Bradford Bulls conditioning was the benchmark. Because our Board decided Lunt on a four year deal was good business. Because the result of these Board decisions has been playing injured players and compounding the issues. Is it right that we don't even provide massage to players now and they have to pay for it themselves.
Before we get the blame placed on Chester for recruitment - who decided he was worth a three year deal and who signed off his recruits? The reality is that without the current Board we would not be in Super League. It is also that they have made some average/poor/terrible choices over the last five years yet we are happy to "blame" injuries, Chester, Sandercock, Dixon, referees or Tony Christie rather than look at the decisions they've made and their consequences. It looks like our return from a possible 20 points could be 3 and the decisions that created this (ie coaching appointments, unbalanced too small risky squad, conditioning choices) were poor. It's hard to see how we can keep it respectable tomorrow but here's hoping to because exposing our young players to a hammering would be counter productive.'"
I don't think many Rovers fans would disagree with any of that. It didn't take a Rocket Scientist to realise your squad was not good enough or big enough.
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| Quote: Zook Ema's Hose "The Radford debate is a non debate and you are right. However in a thread about our squad for tomorrow he is irrelevant.
We are forced to draft in teenagers, one who is 16? Why? Because our Board decided a small squad reliant on two expensive and injury prone halves was a good strategy. Because our Board decided to get rid of a raft of players in the 19-23 age bracket. Because our Board decided Bradford Bulls conditioning was the benchmark. Because our Board decided Lunt on a four year deal was good business. Because the result of these Board decisions has been playing injured players and compounding the issues. Is it right that we don't even provide massage to players now and they have to pay for it themselves.
Before we get the blame placed on Chester for recruitment - who decided he was worth a three year deal and who signed off his recruits? The reality is that without the current Board we would not be in Super League. It is also that they have made some average/poor/terrible choices over the last five years yet we are happy to "blame" injuries, Chester, Sandercock, Dixon, referees or Tony Christie rather than look at the decisions they've made and their consequences. It looks like our return from a possible 20 points could be 3 and the decisions that created this (ie coaching appointments, unbalanced too small risky squad, conditioning choices) were poor. It's hard to see how we can keep it respectable tomorrow but here's hoping to because exposing our young players to a hammering would be counter productive.'"
At least you can see who's responsible for your squad, it's exactly what I posted. Neil & co are no good to take you forward, not if they see nothing's wrong with you're current state.
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "At least you can see who's responsible for your squad, it's exactly what I posted. Neil & co are no good to take you forward, not if they see nothing's wrong with you're current state.'"
The reason we're supposedly not asking the hard questions is because the answers as pretty obvious, and sanguine is more efficient than tantrum.
For years we were told the board were being profligate and economic Armageddon awaited. Well, I guess this is what financial prudence looks like in the money pit world of professional sport.
Chester made a hash of pre-season, but he did the honourable thing. The board [icould[/i see something's wrong and are looking for somebody they think can put it right.
As one of the less wealthy clubs, we have to take some gambles. That is a systemic issue. We have to balance quality against depth - lots of both isn't an option. We have to take risks on players, because we can't afford to be shelling out transfer fees regularly. Some years you're going to roll more 1s than 6s.
Decision-making hasn't been great, with hindsight, but I can only think of a few times I've thought 'wtf' in advance and I wasn't always right on those. I was very pleased with the signing of Lunt and the extension for Campese last season, but their injuries have hampered us badly. Kelly looked like we'd rolled one of those 6s last season, and the fear was we wouldn't be able to hold onto him - that's less the case at the moment.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "The reason we're supposedly not asking the hard questions is because the answers as pretty obvious, and sanguine is more efficient than tantrum.
For years we were told the board were being profligate and economic Armageddon awaited. Well, I guess this is what financial prudence looks like in the money pit world of professional sport.
Chester made a hash of pre-season, but he did the honourable thing. The board [icould[/i see something's wrong and are looking for somebody they think can put it right.
As one of the less wealthy clubs, we have to take some gambles. That is a systemic issue. We have to balance quality against depth - lots of both isn't an option. We have to take risks on players, because we can't afford to be shelling out transfer fees regularly. Some years you're going to roll more 1s than 6s.
Decision-making hasn't been great, with hindsight, but I can only think of a few times I've thought 'wtf' in advance and I wasn't always right on those. I was very pleased with the signing of Lunt and the extension for Campese last season, but their injuries have hampered us badly. Kelly looked like we'd rolled one of those 6s last season, and the fear was we wouldn't be able to hold onto him - that's less the case at the moment.'"
What was the 'honourable thing' Chester did?
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Quote: roversmad "What was the 'honourable thing' Chester did?'"
www.hullkr.co.uk/on-the-pitch/ne ... rt-company
That qualifies IMO.
We've wandered a long way from the squad announcement.
I guess Marsh will come in for Kelly and Dixon for Mantellato.
Then do you put Lawler or Greenwood in the second row? I'd go for Greenwood, with Lawler spelling him and Boudebza. Moran for Green on the bench. Cator's a backrower is he? Maybe he gets the last bench spot.
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Quote: roversmad "What was the 'honourable thing' Chester did?'"
www.hullkr.co.uk/on-the-pitch/ne ... rt-company
That qualifies IMO.
We've wandered a long way from the squad announcement.
I guess Marsh will come in for Kelly and Dixon for Mantellato.
Then do you put Lawler or Greenwood in the second row? I'd go for Greenwood, with Lawler spelling him and Boudebza. Moran for Green on the bench. Cator's a backrower is he? Maybe he gets the last bench spot.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "www.hullkr.co.uk/on-the-pitch/news/article/rovers-and-chester-part-company
That qualifies IMO.
We've wandered a long way from the squad announcement.
I guess Marsh will come in for Kelly and Dixon for Mantellato.
Then do you put Lawler or Greenwood in the second row? I'd go for Greenwood, with Lawler spelling him and Boudebza. Moran for Green on the bench. Cator's a backrower is he? Maybe he gets the last bench spot.'"
That would be the only realistic option, unless they went really leftfield and brought Oakes in and dropped Shaw/Cockayne
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| Just to make you feel a little bit better there are four players from last years U19 team in Wigans squad for Monday, Gregson, Bretherton, Waterwoth and Gildart. Also Sutton aged 20 and Tierney aged 21.
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| Quote: Rogues Gallery "Just to make you feel a little bit better there are four players from last years U19 team in Wigans squad for Monday, Gregson, Bretherton, Waterwoth and Gildart. Also Sutton aged 20 and Tierney aged 21.'"
Yes but your youngsters are really good
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| Quote: easthull fc fan "If you can see into the future? Can you please let me know what Tuesday's euro millions numbers will be? You are on your 2nd coach already & still won't make the top 8. In answer to the question, yes I think he is doing a good job, we have a lot to do like most teams but we are in a decent position in the league.'"
This gent has been posting some delightful stuff on their forum.
You still planning for next year's world club championship?
You give human beings a bad name.
Whilst you're about enthralling us with your intellect can you explain why Pritchard never carried the ball in the first 20 minutes?
Then crawl back into the Shi#pile you crawled out of.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "This gent has been posting some delightful stuff on their forum.
You still planning for next year's world club championship?
You give human beings a bad name.
Whilst you're about enthralling us with your intellect can you explain why Pritchard never carried the ball in the first 20 minutes?
Then crawl back into the Shi#pile you crawled out of.'"
Never once said we will win anything except I predicted a win against you,
Just because I see kr for what it is, the board have signed players like tilse as 1st choice? Is that the type of player you want? I'd be gutted if he was in our squad with shirt no 30 odd,
Can't speak for cranky frank personally, you've obviously got a bee in your Easter bonnet as he was one of the stars in the last 22 minutes, imagine how many metres he would have made if he did get involved in the first 20 like big metre eater Dane.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "This gent has been posting some delightful stuff on their forum.
You still planning for next year's world club championship?
You give human beings a bad name.
Whilst you're about enthralling us with your intellect can you explain why Pritchard never carried the ball in the first 20 minutes?
Then crawl back into the Shi#pile you crawled out of.'"
I find it really strange that someone like you with obvious vile traits has the gaul to call others.It clearly shows that you cannot handle defeat and your only comeback is name calling.You have a dig at Pritchard who is far better than anything your side has,did more metres then Tilse and Allgood did together the former being the worst forward on the field .. if not SL.The true reality is that Hudgell and co decided on a thin squad filled with injury prone players ,over paid flops and championship players ,brought in new backroom staff who clearly cannot get the players to Sl fitness all to save money.As it stands we are 4th you are second bottom having played one game more.All the bull of best team lost is laughable ,failing to hold on to a 20 pt lead with 20 mins left clearly shows they were not the best or they would have won..learn to take defeat with dignity instead of it letting it eat you away you saddo
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| Quote: Wizard crane "I find it really strange that someone like you with obvious vile traits has the gaul to call others.It clearly shows that you cannot handle defeat and your only comeback is name calling.You have a dig at Pritchard who is far better than anything your side has,did more metres then Tilse and Allgood did together the former being the worst forward on the field .. if not SL.The true reality is that Hudgell and co decided on a thin squad filled with injury prone players ,over paid flops and championship players ,brought in new backroom staff who clearly cannot get the players to Sl fitness all to save money.As it stands we are 4th you are second bottom having played one game more.All the bull of best team lost is laughable ,failing to hold on to a 20 pt lead with 20 mins left clearly shows they were not the best or they would have won..learn to take defeat with dignity instead of it letting it eat you away you saddo'"
You all get a bit cranky about Frank don't you.
One of the if not the highest paid players in the league.
One of your top 6-7 performers Friday was he? No he wasn't was he. Outperformed by Shaul Houghton Sneyd Fonua Taylor Lancaster Ellis.
Needs to up his game.
As for the insults for your fellow fan go see what he posted.....that what could be left up by the moderators.
You won....relax.
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| Lancaster? Ha are you warming up your spoon?
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