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| Quote: R.B.A "I think it would take a pretty harsh Board of Directors to sack a coach 2 games into a season whilst they are in the midst of an injury crisis. Hudgell and Crossland wouldn't go down that road.
However, the question is, can Chris Chester get the best out of his squad if he ever gets them all on the park? Of the evidence we have seen so far during his tenure I would suggest he can't.
We have some superbly talented players in our squad and others with great potential. We are a couple of aggressive forwards away from being genuine contenders for the 5-8th positions. We all know what we need so why wasn't it sorted? My personal view is that we missed the boat on signings when we ended up in the middle 8s last year. Top players are not going to sign for a club that may go down. Chester can't use this as an excuse though. After all it was him that coached us into the middle 8s.
I've never been an advocate of sacking coaches. I didn't want Morgan to go and despite his all round grumpiness I didn't really want Sandercock to go because I could see what he was trying to achieve and the structures he was putting in place. He pretty much lived at Craven Park. I haven't got a clue what Chesters vision is.
For me he should go now and give somebody else 20 rounds to sort out the situation, maybe wheel and deal a little and get the best out of the quality at our disposal.
Does Albert Kelly's current physique and demeanour give the look of somebody giving his all for his coach? Alberts professionalism needs to be questioned but we also need to know why and how it has happened.'"
Kelly had his issues hence why he came over. Possibly they have resurfaced but could easily disappear again.
Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned Motu and how great our recruitment has been overseas. Prior to this season, Rovers have outstripped us in this department on a fairly consistent basis (on the burns, green, kelly, sio type of signings) I think you have overspent on very average players though, Tilse for example, and am not sure that Chester should get the blame for that.
As for FC fans being patronising, (not you that said it) this is pretty much un true. I see no gloating going on of any kind. It's been two games.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "People are being too harsh on chester IMO. Does anyone have any evidence that he's the one who has chosen the players and squad make up? Did he hand out big contracts to kelly and campese? Was he the one who green lighted tilse last season?
Didn't rob crossland come out and say the other day you've purposely chosen younger, lighter forwards as you're making plans for reduced interchanges - wasn't that when he criticised the Hull pack for being too big? Seems to be a club policy to me and not down solely to chester. How much input have hudge, crossland, smith and peacock had in recruitment and retention?
Last season he got you to wembley and you were only 2 points off the top 8 despite a bad injury run including losing your best player for most of the season. You also went undefeated through the middle 8's.
What do people realistically expect? You're one of the smaller clubs in SL (in income/attendance terms) and have very few quality young players who have come through your academy meaning you've had to backfill from elsewhere. You're probably punching at your weight in real terms around 7th to 11th and there's only really cas who have bucked the trend to some extent although they're still spending at the cap.
As for your overseas signings, campese, sio and kelly are top quality players even if 2 are injury prone - you sometimes have to take a chance on these players which can blow up in your face but it's hardly chester's fault.
These things often seem worse when the team across the city are doing better. I'd say if it hadn't been for the derby friendly bumming and the fact we've started like a house on fire then most rovers fans would have been happy with a point from your first 2 games. I've no doubt you'll beat a woeful wakefield side on sunday and think you have a decent shout against saints as long as you don;t pick up any more injuries.
Can your club even afford to sack chester and can they afford the salary for these coaches on everyone's shopping list?'"
Agreed. A bit like Radders at Hull. Until you get quality players in enough positions no coach will produce top results.
cf Mcdermott at London.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Enjoying passive-aggressive questioning at the moment... aren't you?'"
It was a fair question.
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| Quote: SirStan "Why would we be interested in Paul Rowley?'"
Don't want him, unless we're really desperate. Obnoxious jumped up little nob. Rowley that is.
His team imploded big style last year, were poor at defending under pressure, we're too gung ho and that speaks volumes for his skill as a coach. The wrong sort of skill for SL.
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| It was a question designed to illicit a particular response.
Your whole modus operandi for pretty much every post on this board.
There are some very good and very welcome (solely in my book) posters from the Hull club on this board, some of them have posted on this thread, they offer balance and valid points of view that are different to ours.
You're good at being a cock within the AP.
Edit; Apologies, I missed Pickering Red's post.
My post is a direct response to the post above his.
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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result: |
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| Quote: hull smallears "Kelly had his issues hence why he came over. Possibly they have resurfaced but could easily disappear again.
Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned Motu and how great our recruitment has been overseas. Prior to this season, Rovers have outstripped us in this department on a fairly consistent basis (on the burns, green, kelly, sio type of signings) I think you have overspent on very average players though, Tilse for example, and am not sure that Chester should get the blame for that.
As for FC fans being patronising, (not you that said it) this is pretty much un true. I see no gloating going on of any kind. It's been two games.'"
There's a difference between gloating (which to be fair you haven't been doing)and been patronising which quite a few of you have which is worse
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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result: |
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "It was a fair question.'"
Give us a reason why he wouldn't
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "It was a question designed to illicit a particular response.
Your whole modus operandi for pretty much every post on this board.
There are some very good and very welcome (solely in my book) posters from the Hull club on this board, some of them have posted on this thread, they offer balance and valid points of view that are different to ours.
You're good at being a cock within the AP.
Edit; Apologies, I missed Pickering Red's post.
My post is a direct response to the post above his.'"
Well said goose. This poster is a kn0b of the highest order.
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Give us a reason why he wouldn't'"
Hoping a more attractive job comes up? Not keen on working with Hudgell and Peacock?
It's rather arrogant to assume every out of work coach wants to be employed by Hull KR.
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "
You're good at being a cock within the AP.
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Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "Well said goose. This poster is a kn0b of the highest order.'"
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Yeah, modabee, why not have a little cry if your sensibilities are so easily bruised?
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| Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "Yeah, modabee, why not have a little cry if your sensibilities are so easily bruised?'"
I'm not crying, quite the opposite. And I don't mean sucking tears into my eyes.
I'm not going to come on here and post platitudes or join in the "RFL hates Hull and Rovers" gubbins. If you don't like what I post feel free to block me.
As for the actual thread, it would be ridiculous for Rovers to fire Chester after two or three games. Give him until mid season at least. You are highly unlikely to finish in the top eight so your focus is on the Super 8s which shouldn't be a problem negotiating.
The problem at Rovers is the recruitment and retainment policy which I believe is little to do with Chris Chester.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "
The problem at Rovers is the recruitment and retainment policy which I believe is little to do with Chris Chester.'"
And you came to this conclusion from seeing how many games? Do you seriously think recruitment (or lack of) and retention had anything to do with the performance we gave in the cup final?
You have often quoted on the above board that you don't post on here. I assume this change in attitude to gracing us with your wit & insight is down to a thawing in your thoughts towards all things HKR, and not merely linked to 2 good performances by your own side.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "I'm not crying, quite the opposite. And I don't mean sucking tears into my eyes.
I'm not going to come on here and post platitudes or join in the "RFL hates Hull and Rovers" gubbins. If you don't like what I post feel free to block me.
As for the actual thread, it would be ridiculous for Rovers to fire Chester after two or three games. Give him until mid season at least. You are highly unlikely to finish in the top eight so your focus is on the Super 8s which shouldn't be a problem negotiating.
The problem at Rovers is the recruitment and retainment policy which I believe is little to do with Chris Chester.'"
It's a complete coincidence that this toad turns up on here after the dullers win 2 games on a wind up. It's so transparent everyone sees through him.
I can't listen to any George Harrison cause of this twit.
He used to come on stalking Ginger Spice. Not been anything from her in months.
Is she under your patio?
Trying to wind people up then soliciting a derogatory response may cause you some upset. Don't then go crying about it when it happens.
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| Quote: ComeOnYouUll "Hoping a more attractive job comes up? Not keen on working with Hudgell and Peacock?
It's rather arrogant to assume every out of work coach wants to be employed by Hull KR.'"
Nobody is but don't let that stop you saying it
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