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Lessons to Learn from Bradford:

Aside from the obvious admins etc.

2015 - We managed to keep the same team when relegated and bought some solid players (Mullaney, Clough etc) yet invested poorly in a halfback (Seijka) and other poor players (Uaisele, Tahroaui, Walshaw) so wasted money. But even with a poor 7 we ripped the league up (except Leigh) and finished 2nd. However our recruitment was poor for the Middle 8's (Matt Ryan etc) and we recruited class to late to settle and do damage (Dane Neilsen, Omari Caro). Yet only lost the £1million game by a few points.

2016 - Recruited well again (Welham, Kavanagh, Haggerty etc) and wasted money on others (Mathers, Walker) also we did not recruit a genuine halfback which is a must no matter the league. We took for granted last season's results and under performed. Coach wasn't happy with behind the scenes going ons and left causing a disruption to the season. Throughout the season we struggle because we had no halfback to lead the team and then players refused to play (Gaskell, Clough etc) which damaged te team further. Coach remained positive. Brought in some class (Moss, Chisholm) with Chissy being a genuine half but this class was too late to change the course o the season.

TLDR - Make sure you have a halfback. They are vital. Sign quality at the right times. Don't treat Champ as a pre-season otherwise you'll be unstuck for the 8's.

We also uncovered a gem in Mitch Clark! Runs his blood to water everytime! Hope he goes well for you! See you in Game 1 and don't stay in the Champ for too long!

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Quote: Burtons Forearm "There's a business man for you. Buys something parades around as the owner yet has no responsibilities 're any financial loss. The organisation has to keep owing him money and he loses any responsibility on any debt he runs up. Mean while employees cop any bill, usually through loss of their pensions.
Someone should run BHS and the rest of the economy like that...'"


The thread title was lessons from Leigh and Bradford, yet you seem to have managed to turn this to almost slanderous assertions around Pearson and BHS - really?

You have your own issues to resolve, without having to sit there having a sock fest over Pearson. He has no lessons currently to learn from Bradford or Leigh, as we are not in the Championship and can hopefully look forward to a financially successful season on the back of a good 2016. Perhaps this may mean that the embittered employees of our club don't have to foot the bill this season.

Here is one lesson for you also; Hull are now so far out of your area of interest, you may as well concentrate on those that are and leave us to our own challenge. It is not impossible that we finish bottom 4 and play you later in the season, but I would say that the odds are against that currently. So you sit their and calculate your little lessons from your areas of interest and have some fun.

I would say one main lesson is that of the lack of recruitment of mercenaries. You do appear to have created a team spririt with backs against the wall. This coupled with the normal slackjawed halfwittery of the fanbase attempting to get one up on everyone else by being the best superfan should stand you in good stead.

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MIKE SMITH- THE BEST CENTRE HULL HAS EVER MADE!:



there is no money to be made out of rugby league, whoever you support, the sooner rovers get back in superleague the better for both clubs obviously moreso rovers both clubs have excelled in season ticket sales etc which in a city like hull is superb fc will be nearer the top than the bottom next year and going on our support and recruitment we have minimum a shot in the million pound game I also think we will have looked at were Bradford and leigh (first year) went wrong and go about it in a professional manner the fans are loyal and deserve better than last year

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Quote: rover 2000 "there is no money to be made out of rugby league, whoever you support, the sooner rovers get back in superleague the better for both clubs obviously moreso rovers both clubs have excelled in season ticket sales etc which in a city like hull is superb fc will be nearer the top than the bottom next year and going on our support and recruitment we have minimum a shot in the million pound game I also think we will have looked at were Bradford and leigh (first year) went wrong and go about it in a professional manner the fans are loyal and deserve better than last year'"


I reckon your recruitment guarantees winning the league, and I believe as stated you are at somewhere 66-75% of cap leaving you with adequate spend for later in the season - which is the key. I don't think any side finishing bottom 4 will relish going to CP to play you, so you clearly have a chance.

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Quote: hull smallears "The thread title was lessons from Leigh and Bradford, yet you seem to have managed to turn this to almost slanderous assertions around Pearson and BHS - really?

You have your own issues to resolve, without having to sit there having a sock fest over Pearson. He has no lessons currently to learn from Bradford or Leigh, as we are not in the Championship and can hopefully look forward to a financially successful season on the back of a good 2016. Perhaps this may mean that the embittered employees of our club don't have to foot the bill this season.

Here is one lesson for you also; Hull are now so far out of your area of interest, you may as well concentrate on those that are and leave us to our own challenge. It is not impossible that we finish bottom 4 and play you later in the season, but I would say that the odds are against that currently. So you sit their and calculate your little lessons from your areas of interest and have some fun.

I would say one main lesson is that of the lack of recruitment of mercenaries. You do appear to have created a team spririt with backs against the wall. This coupled with the normal slackjawed halfwittery of the fanbase attempting to get one up on everyone else by being the best superfan should stand you in good stead.'"


Calm down dear.

It was a general point mainly about the ownership and management of businesses. It happened to be in reference to Mr Pearson as it was in response to a previous post. He'd be a c#nt even if he didn't run the Sharks.


Slanderous about the financial management of BHS...you've missed a year I think.

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Quote: Burtons Forearm "Calm down dear.

It was a general point mainly about the ownership and management of businesses. It happened to be in reference to Mr Pearson as it was in response to a previous post. He'd be a c#nt even if he didn't run the Sharks.


Slanderous about the financial management of BHS...you've missed a year I think.'"


Perfectly calm thank you sweetcheeks.

I think most Hull fans like Pearson, but we do know he is not a fan and I suppose could do one and leave us in the lurch. But, whilst you can sit back and wish this, he in reality has put his money where is mouth is, and I personally hope we can become profitable for him. We have the potential to be profitable albeit not to significant degrees.

You were clearly casting aspersions to Pearson and Hull Fc being ran like BHS.

I am sure that Pearson wishes he was Neil Hudgill, in the most upstanding of industries, but I guess like most people he can only dream about certain things.

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Quote: Zook Ema's Hose "I have to agree with that. I was extremely confident we would not even be in the MPG and that was with Campese, Kelly, Sio, Walker, Mantellato, Green, Thornley, Allgood and Larroyer. All of these Super League calibre. To say we can lose them all, replace with players from Bradford, Wakefield, Doncaster and 4th choice halves from Hull and Huddersfield and just have to turn up with a couple of new players available mid season to secure promotion is delusional. I find it strange that my confidence with last year’s far higher quality roster was mocked yet some are thinking promotion will be straightforward. Fortunately Sheens should have some pulling power but the mountain to climb is underestimated by a lot of fans.'"


Good post, totally agree. Good championship side, good enough to win promotion... icon_wink.gif Work your magic Mr Sheens.

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If Rugby League Rocks, then Hull KR is its Soul.:



Quote: redmuzza "Good post, totally agree. Good championship side, good enough to win promotion... Zook Ema's Hose wrote this post a while ago. Whilst it's not a bad post by his standards, it unfairly distorts the perceived comparisons between his Hull KR team of last year, comprising the so called departed "superstars" he mentions and the team of 2017 and its newly arrived replacements minus the new Aussies. He is already dismissing and disrespecting these new arrivals as substandard, having never seen them perform under a new proven, world-class coach in their new team colours.

He was rightly pilloried on here for being delusionally over optimistic on our chances in the middle 8s last year when he intimated we would breeze it, provided we just turned up. Problem was we didn't turn up and the rest is history. Also Campese, Kelly, Larroyer and Green didn't turn up for us in the middle 8s for various identifiable reasons as well.

Now he has lurched unsurprisingly to the other end of the spectrum and is the new prophet of doom.

The problem is he doesn't understand the psyche of most Rovers fans. We are conditioned to disappointment and battle hardened to under achievement, especially during this decade.

Given a new approach and a fresh dose of sanguine reconstruction on the field this year, we are right to look forward for now with some optimism to this season. Taking automatic promotion as a given, no way.

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The Championship has improved dramatically,both financially and competitively.As a squad you have proven players who will meet some of the best unproven players.What worked in SL for the proven players,wont carry in the championship..

You will take a beating,you wont walk it,you will complain.How thats dealt with is where you end up.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: atomic "The Championship has improved dramatically,both financially and competitively.As a squad you have proven players who will meet some of the best unproven players.What worked in SL for the proven players,wont carry in the championship..

You will take a beating,you wont walk it,you will complain.How thats dealt with is where you end up.'"

How could you possibly know all those things

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Well have plenty of salary cap left over for the middle eights by the looks of it but will we have any quota spots free, does anyone know how many quota places you get and how many we've filled?

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We get the same allowance as sl sides apparently I can only think of 5 we have used?

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Quote: bishops finger "Well have plenty of salary cap left over for the middle eights by the looks of it but will we have any quota spots free, does anyone know how many quota places you get and how many we've filled?'"


It's a bit more complicated than 'just 7', but for simplicity's sake I'm going to say 7.

We have Blair, Tilse, Clark, Heffernan, Quinlan and Butler-Fleming. There's been rumours of an antipodean prop as well, which'd fill the quota up.*

*Exceptions and vagueries apply.

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Quote: Mild Rover "It's a bit more complicated than 'just 7', but for simplicity's sake I'm going to say 7.

We have Blair, Tilse, Clark, Heffernan, Quinlan and Butler-Fleming. There's been rumours of an antipodean prop as well, which'd fill the quota up.*

*Exceptions and vagueries apply.'"



So if say we sign Shillington, then come the middle 8's I'd guess we'd be looking at bringing in a few squad players from S/L sides, seems a strange way to go about it IMO, personally I'd rather have kept at least one quota spot available

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