Sort of I suppose, certainly overachieved this year, there is always an exception to the rule, see Leicester city , but if you wish to hype next year up on the strength of the recruitment then fill your boots mate, I have a somewhat tempered excitement of next year, I say all this as a long standing supporter of 40 years and was more than happy to stand with the 1400 on cold autumn / winter evenings playing and sometimes losing to sides like York, Whitehaven , Mansfield marksman, Runcorn Highfield, because of the clubs income streams and support base it matched expectations, however current crowd base and income levels suggest to me we should be at the very least consistently 5-8 in that league not perennial basement strugglers, think last 4 years , 2016 last game peril MPG drop goal, 2017 championship promotion (did well 2 games to spare) 2018 needing to beat Widnes by 16 iirc, 2019 needing to beat Salford ,or hoping London lose, funnily enough my biggest relief this year is seeing James Webster depart, full respect for 2005,2006,2007 seasons work ,cracking clever player , but as a coach , enough said.

I think when your down there at the bottom its harder to get away from being perrenial strugglers than we realise, the better players that are available are already signed up as weve seen too often, I do like the idea of a younger hungrier squad but im under no illusions that it could well be another hard slog next year, but if we can climb the table a bit and recruit earlier then hopefully we could start to push up the league.
Salfords season should be what all of us strugglers hope for, but when the smaller clubs have great seasons they tend to get dry bummed by the bigger teams picking there better players off too.
Hopefully Tony Smith can help us improve as a team as he has done everywhere else he's coached at.

Fully accept the point of recruitment disadvantage due to late late survival, but something for me is not quite right at the club and I for one certainly cannot point to what it is but it feels nothing like the spirit of the club in the Morgan years, it felt like we were all bound together as a unit from the chairman to the fans to the players to the coach to the sponsors, it felt like a family unit throughout and even in defeat felt like we could come back stronger next week, as I say I wish we could , as the Beatles would say “come together as one” again. Proof of what I am trying to say is our captain last year has asked for premature departure, the foooking CAPTAIN.

That was initially to be expected after so many years in the wilderness. The club and supporters came together after relegation as well in quite a remarkable way. Last season attendances were the best for some years despite our league position so many of us must have some affinity with the club.

It’s easy to be negative and ignore the positives. What are you doing to engender this wonderful togetherness that you perceive to be missing? Go on the hullkrfans forum. Yes there are people with negative thoughts on there as well but also a group of fans actively trying to help the club.

Interesting article from "the mole". Star to leave the nrl after the grand final,aidan sezer is the man and the rumour going round he has signed for us.Huddersfield also seem to be interested,but an article in oz a week ago said he had signed a 2 year deal with us.Would be a cracking signing if true fingers crossed.

Would mean an overseas player departing who would we pick?

Not pick as such but garbutt will almost certainly go as I believe Leeds were not that daft to let a fully fit garbutt leave as when fit “wow” absolute great prop, but if you watched him late on in the games he could play in he limped his way through most of them and I think it has a ring of scruton about it and I think he may have to face up to a career decision and I think he will give an off season a go and retire early feb, absolutely gutted if it happens as we need a fit Garbo more than anything

We'd have to find a quality prop and the money to pay his last 2 years off but I can see ur point

He seems a genuine honest guy but obviously needs to think about his family and earning potential, but medical facts are medical facts and if it looks like your playing standards are compromised by a reoccurring injury it would be dishonest to carry on, i for one hope it is ok for him to carry on but if he carries on by just managing the problem I for one thinks it’s wrong and a waste of a precious quota spot, btw I may be a mile off with my appraisal of him , it is just my observation and opininion.

It’s also very easy to make comments about the possible moral stance someone else should take. We can all take the moral high ground when we are not personally involved.

Sorry Spegs but you seem to be having a lot of time away from work with your health issues. Our valued customers have been talking amongst themselves and they think that in the interests of the company you should resign. I appreciate your contract is for another two years but the customers think you are being dishonest if you stay with us. That would be wrong. They also think that if you make yourself unemployed the money we save could be better spent on a younger, fitter chap. I hope your wife and family agree that the interests of the company, your fellow employees and our customers have to take priority over any hardship your expected decision will cause them. We all know you will do the right thing.

Bizarrely I quit a job 3 years ago due to mental health problems, it was me quitting them as I did not believe that the £35000 package I was on at the time I could honestly justify and was feeling levels of guilt which was amplifying my anxiety as a consequence, they did not want me to leave but understood the reasons and let me go as it was in all honesty the best situation for both parties, I am now on £10000 a year in a part time labouring role but feeling better than I did when I was their, my financial situation is poor but was the best decision I could have made. That is 100% true btw.

Sorry to hear of your problems. The point being that it was your choice and credit to you for making that choice.

I just don’t think other people should be suggesting what others do and putting a moral slant on things.

Rewind all of that, just done a quick light research on sezer and it appears he plays for turkey on the international scene , I think but may need mild rover on this but would he occupy a non fed spot and who would that involve who could leave or have we a spot for him ?

He’d definitely be non-fed.

For quota, I don’t know if Turkey is covered by the Kolpak thing, or whether that will even apply after Brexit. But non-fed means we’d need to lose another non-fed if we assume AQ, SKD, MP, WH, MG, MM and WH are our current 7. And losing them, imo, just creates similar another in most cases - just in a different position.

Thanks , I think,is one of the 2 WH meant to be KL, and do I understand it to mean you are allowed a total of 5 Australian/ New Zealand overseas players but 2 more can get through by holding a European passport but being classed as non federation trained , so basically 7 max non fed in effect ?
PS would of been funny to see the remain battle bus of 2016 displaying the possible peril of brexit meaning it could weaken rugby league standards in uk