outplayed/ outclassed/ out-enthused by a team on an upward spiral just we descend on a downward spiral

Our boys tried but failed dramatically

well played St Helens..a classy performance..great to watch...just a shame it was against us

"It's a challenge, a little bit of a poor period, we'll work hard" says Justin

Oh, and also that you're "ravaged by injuries" (although he did say along with most teams ).

Having watched games at a few age groups, saints play like that all the way through, hence their young kids playing today all know the systems and plays etc. KR 20s and 18s don't even train with the 1st team, let alone get a look in with playing if there are injuries. Gwylam gave Ratu a right slagging off on the radio during the game for his defending. Not fair as there were a lot more players missing today, but does it show a lack of depth in the squad?
Yes it's been only 3 years but good recruiting 3 years ago would have meant these lads would be 19/20 now and ready, including good coaching. Morgan even said again on radio he's looking to the NRL for players, even mid season!

That's poor. We have been lucky in that we got a group of about seven quality players in our 2008 academy team who were all promoted last season and had their debuts last season, so they have been able to step in reasonably well this season when we have yet again been battered with injuries (Foster, Armstrong, Dixon and Ashurst were from that group and were playing tonight). Eastmond. Moore and Wheeler were from an earlier group and I think only two have been promoted from last season's group (a halfback and a centre). But it was the 2008 academy team that garnished us with a useful looking number of young players for this season.

I think a couple of our previous coaches looked to the NRL when injuries hit but Saints have changed tack in recent years, for a number of reasons. I think it pays off.

Did he say that? Or did he say the club are always looking for players, as are all clubs, and that there aren't many half backs on the go over here and it's more difficult to recruit players from Aus/NZ when the state of origin and anzac tests are coming up.

dont care where they come from but we need summat to come in

Good work. I am doing my best to kill myself as quickly as possible without suicide!

That statement seems to assume that we could go further with someone else. But could we?

Not in years to come you understand. I mean NOW.

In years to come with a conveyor belt of young talent in full production, with previous years kids now established as first teamers, the club better established in Super League, with the (necessarily) overpaid players of the early years long gone........yes then we can go further.

TBH Hull FC have all that in place NOW, have nearly double our gates and yet still they are struggling.

So can we go further right now simply by changing the coach? With our youth policy still only showing green shoots, with the ground improvements still incomplete, with the club still spending more than it earns? With the break even figure of 10,000 still a distant dream?

Do you think the way to go forward is a new coach? A coach who is probably the 2nd or 3rd most successful we have had in our history.

The big picture is a large canvass. I ask you to step back and look at it.

Top post. Rovers fans have adopted a sort of "entitlement" outlook, expecting season on season improvement (perhaps not surprisingly given Morgan's "we can win the Grand Final" statement in January), despite the obvious signs that bigger clubs who finished lower last season were making clear and strong improvements in the off season (Wigan, Warrington, Bradford) and Huddersfield were consolidating well under Brown. In that context, to be 9th, joint 8th with Wakefield, isn't too bad. When you consider you've lost Cooke as well, and Galea's struggled with injury, it's not surprising you've toiled a bit to unlock defences.

Both Hull sides need to recognise that we're miles off Warrington, Wigan and Saints. Miles off. Both out of the cup, both will contest a lower play-off position at best, and therefore the only thing left to play for is the 2nd derby. Another season of mediocrity, I'm afraid.

Got to see neither Hull team covered themselves in glory.What a state of affairs.

and least it wasdn't a 'dubious' refereeing decision that took saints god given right to win away from you this time. now jog on