Performance relative to expectation, innit? Sheens inherited... well not much really. The roots of our problems predate him. He’s done a good job. If we get relegated this year, then as I say it’s just one of those things - I don’t think there’d be much justification for blaming anyone. Just our current situation and the way this system ‘works’.

For Hull, the danger might be that you end 2018 in a way not too dissimilar to how we ended 2012. It can be hard to regain momentum once it is lost.

Hate this stupid competition..in effect a mini league where if you have a temporary bad run or get on the wrong end of a crappy decision in a crucial match you get relegated. Over a full season if you finish BOTTOM you should get relegated, if you finish TOP of your league you should get promoted, simple simple simple...too simple for the RFL. God forbid we go down again. I am thoroughly peed off.

First of all let me say I am a Bradford supporter.
Clearly HUll and HKR should NOT merge. What would be gained? far from combining 2 well supported clubs you would end up with one club of indeterminate support. The new guy in charge of SL has said that SL clubs whilst appointing him may not like some of his decisions. He wants SL clubs to build their support and have a large profile in their area. This is something that both clubs clearly have. Salford on the other hand clearly struggled before their move and even more now. Manchester has shown it has no appetite for our game even to the extent that Salford FC and FC United have built up considerable followings whilst starting from scratch.

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Bad results for both clubs but fortunately for you yours doesn’t really matter

Spot on Frankie, that's the only saving grace for us. I hope you can put last night behind you and get the right results from your remaining games.

First it was "you'll never get in Super League", then it was "you're ground won't meet the requirements", then it was "six easy points", then it was "you won't be awarded a licence", then it was "all your best players want to play for us", then it was "Hudgell has taken your club backwards", then it was " you'll go bust now you've been relegated", then it was "you'll never get back in Super League", then it was "you'll finish bottom".

All the while it was "we know how much all your players get paid" and "we know who should be your coach" and "we know how all of your ground development funding works" and "We know what Hudgell eats for breakfast".

Now it's "if only you would listen to us as to what team you should pick and what your game and season strategy should be".

Will this endless Hullsplaining ever end?

Couldn't have said it better myself

Reply of the year right there

we couldn't really lose that game , you were so inept, actually threw the game before kick off you still refused it ,Salford miles better than you on the night

bransholme under 11s are better than us atm,

Christ is it really that bad? Bransholme don't even have a junior set up

Lol can’t remember saying any of the above, just an observation on the last Derby.

We got Lunt McGuire Tomkins Vai Vai Greenwood back and a full 80 from Carney. In theory we were much stronger but in reality apart from Greenwood they looked unfit,crap or both. Atkin got shunted onto bench for Carney to stink the pitch out. First 20 Salford were there for the taking but we either knocked on.miscounted tackles or kicked like had wellies on.Salford then realised good solid simple rugby would win the day and we were soft down the middle again and just rolled over us. You would like to Think Blair Masoe and Jewitt would have evened up the battle a bit but the attack was that poor it looked like the halfs had never played together? Which they hadn't. Most important game so far in year and we change a half pack pairing that was working well.Atkin needs playing in front of Tim's pal Carney .Just sends out all the wrong signals ie not earning your place.This is fine if like Hastings you come in and play well but Carney could be still out there now and he still wouldn't find a telling pass. Lack of energy from whole team. Blair and Cator really put themselves about v Hull. Friday only Mulhern Atkin Greenwood Quinlan seemed to care?

In reality, our forwards were simply outmuscled. Missed Masoe, Blair, Jewitt and Carney on the wing. Salford will be one of the toughest teams we face in the m8s. I expect even Leeds away won't be as bad (that doesn't necessarily mean a win though). If we manage to turn over Toronto away then things will look different.

Our opening fixtures of the m8s were always going to be rough.

Lack of direction in attack wasn't good enough though. Should Vaivai have backed himself in the 2nd half? Not kicking on the last in the first 20 mins etc.

Lui's interception typified things for Salford. Every 50/50 ball they gave managed to stick. Their first try, the player had to reach behind and juggle to control. Some days things stick for you other times they don't. Friday was one of those days. Time to move on and concentrate on the remaining 6 games and finish above the MPG.

At least we didn't lose at home to a less fancied Championship side. We lost at home to a decent SL side.