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| Quote: Zook Ema's Hose "Mate, how many of this squad were Super League clubs in for? Half? A dozen? A few? Or Lunt, Greenwood and Blair? Ellis only found out last week Rick Stone wanted rid. We have a chance but I'm underwhelmed with what Sheens achieved at Salford where he was responsible for the playing culture etc. I think it could be very tough and a lot depends on Lunt whose fitness record has been patchy. Hope we have some aces up the sleeve.'"
Sheens has a lot more on his cv than DOR at Salford I think we're very lucky to have a coach of his pedigree certainly an upgrade on our last 3 coaches
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| Quote: Pickering Red "I like who Wakefield have signed in the backs. Caton-Brown and Williams. Wood excellent at hooker. Grix average at FB. They need some better forwards though. That's Chester for you.'"
Wakey should be a better team this season after all they have more money to spend but how weird was last season? They were utter crap then brought Chester in and won loads of games on the bounce and then went back to being crap again.
You know more about Chester but Imo if they stay up this season it will be down to kear
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| Bradford... Another administration for them to try and come back from.
Whilst it benefits us for next year, I feel for the fans having gone through a lot of bad stuff with Rovers in the pre-Hudge days
It really shows how important this season is and how we should be very concerned if we aren't able to make it back to SL at the first time of asking!
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| Quote: fun time frankie "Sheens has a lot more on his cv than DOR at Salford I think we're very lucky to have a coach of his pedigree certainly an upgrade on our last 3 coaches'"
Were it not for the sheens appointment then I think you'd struggle to get back into SL but with him as coach I think you have a decent chance. You almost have to feel sorry for the bloke that he's gone from coaching Australia and ended up in the English 2nd division but I'm sure he'll look upon it as a challenge and get stuck in. As things have panned out, maybe being relegated wasn;t a disastrous thing for rovers and it has allowed you to bin off some players you wanted rid of and negotiate down contracts of palyers who you wanted to keep but were overpaid. had you stayed in SL it could have taken another 2 or 3 years to do it and you'd still have been a middle 8's team
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| Quote: RoverAndOut "Bradford... Another administration for them to try and come back from.
Whilst it benefits us for next year, I feel for the fans having gone through a lot of bad stuff with Rovers in the pre-Hudge days
It really shows how important this season is and how we should be very concerned if we aren't able to make it back to SL at the first time of asking!'"
The problem you have if there is no quality opposition is that you're not really prepared for the middle 8's properly.
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Were it not for the sheens appointment then I think you'd struggle to get back into SL but with him as coach I think you have a decent chance. You almost have to feel sorry for the bloke that he's gone from coaching Australia and ended up in the English 2nd division but I'm sure he'll look upon it as a challenge and get stuck in. As things have panned out, maybe being relegated wasn;t a disastrous thing for rovers and it has allowed you to bin off some players you wanted rid of and negotiate down contracts of palyers who you wanted to keep but were overpaid. had you stayed in SL it could have taken another 2 or 3 years to do it and you'd still have been a middle 8's team'" pearson went from landlord to tenant ok he didn't mind the comedown did he
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| Quote: rover 2000 "pearson went from landlord to tenant ok he didn't mind the comedown did he'"
He had several £million in the bank to soften the blow so I doubt he cared
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "He had several £million in the bank to soften the blow so I doubt he cared'"
I hope he wasn't expecting to see the money back he blew on FC.
More of a supporters sport than a money making venture.
FC owes him around £2.6 million according to duedil
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "I hope he wasn't expecting to see the money back he blew on FC.
More of a supporters sport than a money making venture.
FC owes him around £2.6 million according to duedil'"
There's a business man for you. Buys something parades around as the owner yet has no responsibilities 're any financial loss. The organisation has to keep owing him money and he loses any responsibility on any debt he runs up. Mean while employees cop any bill, usually through loss of their pensions.
Someone should run BHS and the rest of the economy like that...
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "There's a business man for you. Buys something parades around as the owner yet has no responsibilities 're any financial loss. The organisation has to keep owing him money and he loses any responsibility on any debt he runs up. Mean while employees cop any bill, usually through loss of their pensions.
Someone should run BHS and the rest of the economy like that...'"
Of course he will lose money. Unless somebody else has funded the debt.
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| Quote: Keith_Lard "Of course he will lose money. Unless somebody else has funded the debt.'"
He probably has all his assets off shore or in his Mrs name etc etc whilst borrowing money against the club.
I'm guessing buts that's how these folks work.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "He probably has all his assets off shore or in his Mrs name etc etc whilst borrowing money against the club.
I'm guessing buts that's how these folks work.'"
I think you need to lay off the Wolf of Wall Street.
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "He probably has all his assets off shore or in his Mrs name etc etc whilst borrowing money against the club.
I'm guessing buts that's how these folks work.'"
Perhaps I'm giving our banking system too much credit here, but who is loaning him the money in this scenario?
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| You funny man. Hu, Hu, Hu.
You say, I am, sofa king...
No, say quicker.
I am, sofa king...
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| Lessons to Learn from Bradford:
Aside from the obvious admins etc.
2015 - We managed to keep the same team when relegated and bought some solid players (Mullaney, Clough etc) yet invested poorly in a halfback (Seijka) and other poor players (Uaisele, Tahroaui, Walshaw) so wasted money. But even with a poor 7 we ripped the league up (except Leigh) and finished 2nd. However our recruitment was poor for the Middle 8's (Matt Ryan etc) and we recruited class to late to settle and do damage (Dane Neilsen, Omari Caro). Yet only lost the £1million game by a few points.
2016 - Recruited well again (Welham, Kavanagh, Haggerty etc) and wasted money on others (Mathers, Walker) also we did not recruit a genuine halfback which is a must no matter the league. We took for granted last season's results and under performed. Coach wasn't happy with behind the scenes going ons and left causing a disruption to the season. Throughout the season we struggle because we had no halfback to lead the team and then players refused to play (Gaskell, Clough etc) which damaged te team further. Coach remained positive. Brought in some class (Moss, Chisholm) with Chissy being a genuine half but this class was too late to change the course o the season.
TLDR - Make sure you have a halfback. They are vital. Sign quality at the right times. Don't treat Champ as a pre-season otherwise you'll be unstuck for the 8's.
We also uncovered a gem in Mitch Clark! Runs his blood to water everytime! Hope he goes well for you! See you in Game 1 and don't stay in the Champ for too long!
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