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As for Tilse, my opinion is that he's crap. You may disagree, but I've see a lot of crap players over the years to recognise another overpaid one.'"


Ha! Excellent, we've had so many rubbish players, it makes us uniquely qualified to recognise a rubbish player when we see one!

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Quote: Sandro II Terrorista "Ha! Excellent, we've had so many rubbish players, it makes us uniquely qualified to recognise a rubbish player when we see one!'"


And the good ones stand out like a sore thumb that other teams see them as well, so we don't tend to keep hold of them.

I still have memories of singing Sully must stay (Anthony) and a certain Saints halfback leaving us early in his career.

Back on topic. We must keep Lunt and Blair above all else.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: Gallanteer "I was a young season pass holder in final year at the old and much missed Craven Park, and continued to be one throughout our crap years until about 2002 when I had a young family and moved out of the area. Still went to the occasional game though, including our promotion final. I brainwashed my sons and indictrinated them into the Hull KR family and started getting season tickets again for us all when I relocated to East Leeds area. I intend to keep supporting the lads next season as I will only ever support my home town club.

As for Tilse, my opinion is that he's crap. You may disagree, but I've see a lot of crap players over the years to recognise another overpaid one.'"

Everyone of clubs that move ground start remembering there old ground as this great thing I liked the old craven park from what I remember but when I see photos of it now I just think God what a dump same as the willows the boulevard etc

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Quote: Gallanteer "I was a young season pass holder in final year at the old and much missed Craven Park, and continued to be one throughout our crap years until about 2002 when I had a young family and moved out of the area. Still went to the occasional game though, including our promotion final. I brainwashed my sons and indictrinated them into the Hull KR family and started getting season tickets again for us all when I relocated to East Leeds area. I intend to keep supporting the lads next season as I will only ever support my home town club.

As for Tilse, my opinion is that he's crap. You may disagree, but I've see a lot of crap players over the years to recognise another overpaid one.'"

I agree with you about tilse rubbish is the word I would use and I do not no how long you have been going to rovers but I bet with my 55 yrs plus I have seen more crap then you icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif icon_lol.gif

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Quote: cravenpark1 "I agree with you about tilse rubbish is the word I would use and I do not no how long you have been going to rovers but I bet with my 55 yrs plus I have seen more crap then you
Ok, you win. I'm only 45 :lol

My eldest calls him a gentle. Unfortunately that sums up his Tilse's problems.

Sounds like he's going anyway.

Moving on.....

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Think most have said the same as I think although I'd actively move Sio on. Great player but is winger really a position we would want a high paid o/seas player in. Josh is probably cheaper so I'd keep him.

Campese is a must go, he was crap on Saturday and that 5th tackle penalty was one of the key points that lost us the game. His kicking at the end was dumb beyond belief from a player with his experience.
Kelly, Tilse, Horne, Larroyer, clarkson, Cockayne, Boudebza Allgood all have to go.

Build around the rest, Lunt, Greenwood and Blair to top the list of get them signed now.

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Quote: easthull4 "1 Shaw
2 Oakes
3 Minns
4 Wardel
5 Mantelato
6 ANO
7 ANO
8 Tilse
9 Lunt
10 Walker
11 Blair
12 Greenwood
13 Lawler
14 Dixon
15 Donaldson
16 Marsh
17 Jubb
18 Mulhearn
19 ANO prop
20 ANO half back
21 ANO Second Rower
22 ANO Second Rower
23.ANO Centre
24 ANO Utility Forward
25 ANO Utility Back

The above are the players I would keep and spots in 25 man squad I would try to fill assuming Sio has gone Campesie retired the rest just not up to standard or either had it
We will be lucky to hold on to Lunt Blair more than any of them maybe Minns might go but with a bit of luck he will stay along with Matlelato
Kelly Thornly Allgood Clarkson Cockayne Horn Larroyer Boudebza (looks like he has gone) would let go

Look forward to your response'"


Not far off. I would expect Tilse and Big Josh to go with the wage bill to at least halve. Add to your list Salter, Moran and Cator. I would still like us to go for Scruton and Clark, not fussed about Addy. I would expect Marsh to be a starting half back, haven’t a clue for scrum half at the minute. We need to try and keep Blair, Lunt, Greenwood, Minns and Walker.
1. Shaw
2. Oakes/Wardill
3. Salter
4. Minns
5. Dixon
6. Marsh
7. AN other
8. Walker
9. Lunt
10. Scruton
11. Greenwood
12. Lawler
13. Blair
14. Clark
15. Mulhearn
16. Donaldson
17. Jubb

With honest Adam's comments in the HDM about us, we could also put a cheeky season loan bid in for Jack Logan and Hadley who won't get much game time next year.

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Quote: MrsHallsSausageRolls "Not far off. I would expect Tilse and Big Josh to go with the wage bill to at least halve. Add to your list Salter, Moran and Cator. I would still like us to go for Scruton and Clark, not fussed about Addy. I would expect Marsh to be a starting half back, haven’t a clue for scrum half at the minute. We need to try and keep Blair, Lunt, Greenwood, Minns and Walker.
1. Shaw
2. Oakes/Wardill
3. Salter
4. Minns
5. Dixon
6. Marsh
7. AN other
8. Walker
9. Lunt
10. Scruton
11. Greenwood
12. Lawler
13. Blair
14. Clark
15. Mulhearn
16. Donaldson
17. Jubb

With honest Adam's comments in the HDM about us, we could also put a cheeky season loan bid in for Jack Logan and Hadley who won't get much game time next year.'"

forget that one you cant have them

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My choice would be very similar with just a few alterations;

1. Oakes (Bit left wing but he played Full Back for Eastmoor and there is a clip of him playing v Hull on you tube as an FB and he looks useful and assured)
2. Shaw
3. Wardill
4. Minns
5. Dixon
6. UNSURE with Marsh as back up.
7. UNSURE
8. Walker
9. Lunt
10. Scruton (Presuming he joins)
11. Greenwood
12. Blair
13. Clark
14. Lawler
15. Mulhearn
16. Donaldson
17. Jubb

We need to decent halfs and we will combat any team in the championship, the question is what 2 are available and will join a championship club?

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Quote: fun time frankie "Everyone of clubs that move ground start remembering there old ground as this great thing I liked the old craven park from what I remember but when I see photos of it now I just think God what a dump same as the willows the boulevard etc'"



The boulevard was a palace compared to the old CP which even had an old railway box cart in it if my memory serves me correctly. Used to be a great atmosphere in there though as it was very compact and enclosed and I well remember the day casey threw away his international captaincy there. I was also there for the final game (widnes?) and the first game at the new ground (trafford borough?).

I even pulled my boots on and played at the old place

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I think you're all being a bit deluded here. I'd doubt very much that there will be any player loyalty and anyone who can get a SL contract for next year will be off. agents will be sniffing out another payday. Walker already agreed a contract with hudds and greenwood off to join his brother if rumours are to be believed

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Rumours don't pay mortgages, contracts do however. Rovers best hope that most clubs have already spent most of their budget already otherwise our few decent players will be picked over.

We need to prioritise our spend on the youngsters.

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Quote: SirStan "Rumours don't pay mortgages, contracts do however. Rovers best hope that most clubs have already spent most of their budget already otherwise our few decent players will be picked over.

We need to prioritise our spend on the youngsters.'"


Don't quite agree. That was Sandercock's remit. That marked the start of our decline. Give some youngsters a chance, but if we're serious about promotion. We need some serious players.

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Quote: SirStan "Rumours don't pay mortgages, contracts do however. Rovers best hope that most clubs have already spent most of their budget already otherwise our few decent players will be picked over.

We need to prioritise our spend on the youngsters.'"


If it was me I would stay, they helped make the drop happen I'd want to play the part in putting you back up, loyalty should be involved they was paid good wages this season & played rubbish, you was loyal paying to watch them, loyallty lies off field why not on it.

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Quote: easthull fc fan "If it was me I would stay, they helped make the drop happen I'd want to play the part in putting you back up, loyalty should be involved they was paid good wages this season & played rubbish, you was loyal paying to watch them, loyalffy lies off field why not on it.'"

Ive said this myself. And Hudge quoted the same. The players who are asked to stay, have a moral obligation to repair the damage they have brought to the club. After all, they won't be on peanuts.

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