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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: *1865* "I find it amusing that someone can be so immune from even polite criticism. I reckon if some of you caught him in bed with your wives, you'd polish his shoes while you waited for him to finish.'"

I find it amusing that you have spent the day telling us how were all obsessed with hudgell while obsessing about him yourself icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: *1865* "I find it amusing that someone can be so immune from even polite criticism. I reckon if some of you caught him in bed with your wives, you'd polish his shoes while you waited for him to finish.'"


Well no, but you understand that he's held in high esteem by (most) Rovers fans and why though, surely? He's not infallible, but he's brought us to a point that we're properly down in the mouth about being 9th in SL. Yeah, there's an element of propaganda to these things (the q&a) but all clubs do it, and with good reason.

I'm sure fans of other clubs would bristle at criticism of their well-regarded figures from fans of their rivals. I have seen it happen in fact!

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Quote: fun time frankie "I find it amusing that you have spent the day telling us how were all obsessed with hudgell while obsessing about him yourself When did I say you were obsessed? See, there you go just making shizzle up again. icon_biggrin.gif

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Quote: Mild Rover "Well no, but you understand that he's held in high esteem by (most) Rovers fans and why though, surely? He's not infallible, but he's brought us to a point that we're properly down in the mouth about being 9th in SL. Yeah, there's an element of propaganda to these things (the q&a) but all clubs do it, and with good reason.

I'm sure fans of other clubs would bristle at criticism of their well-regarded figures from fans of their rivals. I have seen it happen in fact!'"

I am in no doubt as to why you hold him in such high regard, my point is that it is exactly that which clouds fans opinions of the things he says and does.

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einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result:



Quote: *1865* "When did I say you were obsessed? See, there you go just making shizzle up again. Still obsessing I see

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Quote: *1865* "I am in no doubt as to why you hold him in such high regard, my point is that it is exactly that which clouds fans opinions of the things he says and does.'"


What exactly do you think, and denying yourself the benefit of hindsight, ( because he has undoubtedly made mistakes) he should have done differently at specific times to make Rivers a better and stronger club?

And remember, you're denied the benefit of hindsight.

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'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.:d7dc4b20b2c2dd7b76ac6eac29d5604e_33809.png

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Quote: *1865* "I am in no doubt as to why you hold him in such high regard, my point is that it is exactly that which clouds fans opinions of the things he says and does.'"


It's hard to be objective about your own club, I'd agree. But to focus on the negatives would be
A. Churlish, given recent history
B. No fun

It's also perhaps hard to be objective about your rivals and that might similarly cloud opinions, is it fair to say?

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "What exactly do you think, and denying yourself the benefit of hindsight, ( because he has undoubtedly made mistakes) he should have done differently at specific times to make Rivers a better and stronger club?

And remember, you're denied the benefit of hindsight.'"


Though not intended for me, s'good question.

I think everything was pretty much bob on through the Morgan era. Even where the board are self-critical about the balance of investment in first team vs developing players, I think top-down worked in getting us established.
I was always nervous about the move towards 'youth' and 'potential' in 2012 - I hoped it'd come good, but could see issues with the 'it works for Saints, Leeds and Wigan' argument even making optimistic assumptions about where our infrastructure was at. The idea that Sandercock could scale up his success with Uate across a squad with many talented but erratic players, was always going to be a big ask. I also think he was perhaps asked to do too much - sorting out our youth structures and the first team.
That, trying to be as honest as I can be, is without hindsight.

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "What exactly do you think, and denying yourself the benefit of hindsight, ( because he has undoubtedly made mistakes) he should have done differently at specific times to make Rivers a better and stronger club?

And remember, you're denied the benefit of hindsight.'"

You've got to remember that I only questioned his bemoaning year on year of poor performances and that he likes to (imo) use lines like 'the players should match the attitude of the fans' knowing full well that the fans hold him in such high regard, thus deflecting any (not saying there is or isn't) blame away from himself. I think that is detrimental to the unity of the squad, again imo.

I would never be so bold as to suggest ways he should run his club.

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Quote: *1865* "You've got to remember that I only questioned his bemoaning year on year of poor performances and that he likes to (imo) use lines like 'the players should match the attitude of the fans' knowing full well that the fans hold him in such high regard, thus deflecting any (not saying there is or isn't) blame away from himself. I think that is detrimental to the unity of the squad, again imo.

I would never be so bold as to suggest ways he should run his club.'"



But ateotd what the has it got to do with you?

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