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We lack any leadership or direction. Either burns or Keating need to grab the game and organise plays and set up for the following plays. We would of won at least 3 more games if we had that. We actually look scared and clueless attacking

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But if the coach isn't supplying any decent game plans they have to make it up as the go along, which is how they looked today.

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What do they work on then because it sure isn't defence. Dobson give us shape and direction and tbh won us a lot of games last season. I'm not slating Keating because I think part a of his game are better then dobson but that's what part of his game that the teams missing most

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Quote: Gallanteer "But if the coach isn't supplying any decent game plans they have to make it up as the go along, which is how they looked today.'"


Burns & Keating had to turn back inside or run the ball on a number of occasions, a combination of Widnes' line speed & Hicks comedy 10m. When we got the defence going backwards we looked reasonably organised. Scoring 29 points should be enough to get a result.

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The only try scored today that was from organisation was Welham's because we attacked fast and moved the ball. We could have done that all day if they we didn't just one pass run plays all the time

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Quote: fun time frankie "What did we learn from todays game I for one witnessed the worst debut I've ever seen and although he looks like and has the same last name jonnie Walker isn't a patch in his brother and in Neville costigan we have at least one player who can tackle'"

Wow I missed the worst debut ever. Is that referring to Ulugia? He did more with the ball than Salter has managed in 2 seasons. He actually put his winger away down the touchline 1st half. Lots of tries down his side but didn't look his fault.
Too many players back in one go. Brown destroyed us today in his slippers.
We were dumb. Hodgson had a shocker. Took loads of wrong options. Hall.....well if I was one of our forwards I'd kill him.
Stepping into touch when he caught a kick down field was a new career high light to go with his numerous lost balls and missed touch finders from penalties.
Played terribly but should have beat a side in 5th who've won 5 on the run.
We could finish anywhere from 5th. Injuries will have a big say on who finishes where. Widnes lose Brown they're f++ked. We have a bit of cover.
Our neighbours however. I felt terrible after the game but Radford's interview on humberside had me pi##ing myself.

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'To many players back in one go' absolutely summed it up today. we looked disjointed and awkward from the off. was there really a need to drop salter AND caro in one game, we had a winger who hasn't played there for a while and a centre who isnt a centre. Ulugia didnt really seem to be putting the effort in during the warm up but looked ok during the game. Langley and Walker did ok but nothing more. overall I would have rather had just swapped Hall for Keating and kept the rest the same, or at least had Ulugia on the bench and gave him and Caro both a go.

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Quote: Rural Robin "'To many players back in one go' absolutely summed it up today. we looked disjointed and awkward from the off. was there really a need to drop salter AND caro in one game, we had a winger who hasn't played there for a while and a centre who isnt a centre. Ulugia didnt really seem to be putting the effort in during the warm up but looked ok during the game. Langley and Walker did ok but nothing more. overall I would have rather had just swapped Hall for Keating and kept the rest the same, or at least had Ulugia on the bench and gave him and Caro both a go.'"

Thought keating had a decent game and as for hall he contributed a lot more for widnes,than he did for us.

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Quote: deslawson "Thought keating had a decent game and as for hall he contributed a lot more for widnes,than he did for us.'"

Strange how people see the game differently. I thought Keating did nothing today.

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Quote: roversmad "Strange how people see the game differently. I thought Keating did nothing today.'"

Apart for a wonderful assist for Lovegrove's try our best field kicker and solid defence he did nowt. Different views eh.
He has surprised me with his skill set. He does need to be more assertive though. He doesn't take control of the game and seems to bow to others.
Brown calmed his team when they were under pressure. We couldn't.
Disappointing seeing Weyman Costigan Langley all on the bench last 10 mins. Their experience might have helped.

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They scored that try to make it 29-28 and he took the best defender costigan off

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Quote: Rural Robin "'To many players back in one go' absolutely summed it up today. we looked disjointed and awkward from the off. was there really a need to drop salter AND caro in one game, we had a winger who hasn't played there for a while and a centre who isnt a centre. Ulugia didnt really seem to be putting the effort in during the warm up but looked ok during the game. Langley and Walker did ok but nothing more. overall I would have rather had just swapped Hall for Keating and kept the rest the same, or at least had Ulugia on the bench and gave him and Caro both a go.'"

On the subject of walker and langley,I thought walker was a liability and is not a patch on adam,and langley never offered anything in attack at bradford and nothings changed.

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Burtons forearm are you seriously saying uluagia has done more today than Salter has done in two seasons are you on drugs everytime the ball went to his side his positioning was that bad they just walked in and at one point it took him that long to get back in the defensive line three tackles had gone but it seems you saw something in this world class centre performance that I missed

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Quote: Burtons Forearm "Wow I missed the worst debut ever. Is that referring to Ulugia? He did more with the ball than Salter has managed in 2 seasons. He actually put his winger away down the touchline 1st half. Lots of tries down his side but didn't look his fault.
Too many players back in one go. Brown destroyed us today in his slippers.
We were dumb. Hodgson had a shocker. Took loads of wrong options. Hall.....well if I was one of our forwards I'd kill him.
Stepping into touch when he caught a kick down field was a new career high light to go with his numerous lost balls and missed touch finders from penalties.
Played terribly but should have beat a side in 5th who've won 5 on the run.
We could finish anywhere from 5th. Injuries will have a big say on who finishes where. Widnes lose Brown they're f++ked. We have a bit of cover.
Our neighbours however. I felt terrible after the game but Radford's interview on humberside had me pi##ing myself.'"


I thought our new centre was pretty poor, shocking decision to play him over Salter unless he was injured. His fitness level was an embarrassment, over 50m behind Cockayne when he should have been up his a** supporting him. Brough off 4mins into the second half after he has just had a 15 min breather! Shocking! As for his defence, well he missed a fair few and played a big part in the organisation of the defence on our right hand side, along with Larroyer they were ripped apart on numerous occasions!

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Quote: Rupert Pupkin "I thought our new centre was pretty poor, shocking decision to play him over Salter unless he was injured. His fitness level was an embarrassment, over 50m behind Cockayne when he should have been up his a** supporting him. Brough off 4mins into the second half after he has just had a 15 min breather! Shocking! As for his defence, well he missed a fair few and played a big part in the organisation of the defence on our right hand side, along with Larroyer they were ripped apart on numerous occasions!'"

Bit harsh. His first game since last season so he was bound to be unfit. He looked it second half.
Has anyone claimed this kid is world class?
I 're call Brown walking in under the posts and 3 of their scores being under the posts. Right hand didn't improve when Horne came on. Nobody got Brown in order.
As for everyone's obsession with Salter. In 2 seasons the kid has managed about 5 tries. Can't 're call a break of more than 10 metres. He's 20 but shockingly average when compared to other young backs of similar experience in the league. He hits above his weight in defence but it's not good enough to justify a place. His selection shows how thin a squad we've had. We don't often go right in attack but when we do he makes Kirk yeaman look like Jamie Lyon.
Ulugia in 50 mins showed more skill than Salter has in 2 seasons. His flick pass to put Gardner away was top class. He also ran great lines in support.
Personally I was amazed he was picked at centre. Wing for a debut would have made more sense. Especially with all the other changes.

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