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| Quote: blakeysrobin "Hasnt that route been down before?
He is a certain in the 17 at the moment and if he left he would have several clubs clamering for his signiture but for me he has pushed the boat too far.'"
Maybe so. If we do choose to get rid, I'll guarantee that he'd come back to haunt us by which club that would snap him up.
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| Quote: Pudsey Robin "Maybe so. If we do choose to get rid, I'll guarantee that he'd come back to haunt us by which club that would snap him up.'"
Absolutaly, its ok some people sayinge should let him go because of a couple of misdemenours, but all that would happen is a number of other super league clubs would attempt to snap him up and anyone who thinks they wouldn't is totaly naive in my opinion, the descision would then probably come back to bite us on the ar..e
I have spoken to many friends and fans alike regarding this isue over the last few weeks and by far, the majority have said they want him to recieve a new contract as long as he keeps out of trouble in the future.
Although everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is that we should definitaly keep him, i also respect others opinions and their reasons.
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| I often wonder what Ben thinks of all this.
There is 2 sides to it.
1 he isn't the smartest cookie in the jar.
2 he may well be starting to think he is bulletproof.
Us letting him go may be the best thing for HIM as it may make him face up to his problems.
With the grestest of respect to anyone Ben has a self destructive attitude and it will raise its head again.
Him signing for somebody else shouldn't matter it is what he has done whilst playing at HKR that doesn't sit well with me
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| I am not condoning some of the things Charlie has done, but as a player, he is one I want in my side. If all of our players took to the field with the same desire and heart Charlie does, we would never lose a game. He should be given a new contract, but with very stringent conditions.
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| Quote: Seventies red "Absolutaly, its ok some people sayinge should let him go because of a couple of misdemenours, but all that would happen is a number of other super league clubs would attempt to snap him up and anyone who thinks they wouldn't is totaly naive in my opinion, the descision would then probably come back to bite us on the ar..e
I have spoken to many friends and fans alike regarding this isue over the last few weeks and by far, the majority have said they want him to recieve a new contract as long as he keeps out of trouble in the future.
Although everyone is entitled to their opinion and mine is that we should definitaly keep him, i also respect others opinions and their reasons.'"
You consider his infamous video actions and racism are only a couple of misdemeanour's!!clearly your values are gutter level!
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "You consider his infamous video actions and racism are only a couple of misdemeanour's!!clearly your values are gutter level!'"
If you can't discuss the issue without insulting or accusing anyone who's opinions differ from yours, I really would give it a rest.
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| Plenty of players come with baggage,mick crane always had problems off the pitch,but what a player.! Paul gallen,who is arguably the best forward in rugby league at the moment has always had problems off the pitch,probably worse than cockayne,but in my humble opinion you are paid for what you do on the pitch not off it.I think that he should be given a contract and a warning any more slip ups your sacked and hold my breath that he dosen't gaff again,because for me he is the man in rovers team who gives 100% every time.!
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "You consider his infamous video actions and racism are only a couple of misdemeanour's!!clearly your values are gutter level!'"
What an out and out plonker you are, there is an old saying, the price of wisdom is age, well im certainly at an age where i can say i ve learnt a great deal, including, about me as a person i but wish i have had that same knowledge and understanding thirty years ago or so when as a young man, (without going into detail) i did some stupid things which did get me into trouble on occasions.
Sometimes it would be out of pure ignorance and immaturity, but do you now what?, gradually i as i got older and listened to older heads i became wiser and more mature and became to realise that if i kept my head down and worked hard i would eventualy achieve something.
I can honestly say ive met quite a few people along the way who also did things which they now regret but are now wiser for it but according to you Mr or Mrs goody two shoes we should have all been slung on the scraphepap for our misdoings all those years ago with no chance to learn from our mistakes.
I have plenty of time for people who at least admit their mistakes as long as they eventualy learn from them but, what i have no time for is sanctimonious pr..ts like you who seem to think that your opinions are the right ones and anyone with opposing views and opinions should be lambasted.
Like i said in my previous post, i have my opinion which is that Ben should be given another contract as long as he keeps his head down and concentrates on his on the field activities, learns from his previous mistakes puts the past behind and moves on to a produtive and successful future, i also stated in my previous post that i respect other peoples opinions even though i may not aggree with them, its a shame you dont show that same respect, perhaps you need to do a little more living and recieve a little more education at the same time.
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| Quote: berrigans bitch "You consider his infamous video actions and racism are only a couple of misdemeanour's!!clearly your values are gutter level!'"
Oops.
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| Got told today that Ben has been offered a 2 year extension but on reduced terms but also that hes been offered a 3 year deal by Crusaders with an increase in wages, i hope he repays the clubs loyalty and sticks with us
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| Quote: Seventies red "What an out and out plonker you are, there is an old saying, the price of wisdom is age, well im certainly at an age where i can say i ve learnt a great deal, including, about me as a person i but wish i have had that same knowledge and understanding thirty years ago or so when as a young man, (without going into detail) i did some stupid things which did get me into trouble on occasions.
Sometimes it would be out of pure ignorance and immaturity, but do you now what?, gradually i as i got older and listened to older heads i became wiser and more mature and became to realise that if i kept my head down and worked hard i would eventualy achieve something.
I can honestly say ive met quite a few people along the way who also did things which they now regret but are now wiser for it but according to you Mr or Mrs goody two shoes we should have all been slung on the scraphepap for our misdoings all those years ago with no chance to learn from our mistakes.
I have plenty of time for people who at least admit their mistakes as long as they eventualy learn from them but, what i have no time for is sanctimonious pr..ts
I like this post a lot. I'm still don't think we should offer Cockayne a new contract, because for me, although I like what he does on the field, racism is just too abhorrent and the club comes first. I do think that he did not realise what he was doing but I also think that that is possibly when you see the real person.
That's just my opinion, I completely respect everyone else's view on this issue and I won't be up in arms if he stays.
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| Quote: willowred "Got told today that Ben has been offered a 2 year extension but on reduced terms but also that hes been offered a 3 year deal by Crusaders with an increase in wages, i hope he repays the clubs loyalty and sticks with us'"
If true, it will be a test of his love of the club. I don't see why he should have reduced terms, surely any deal is based on his rugby ability and he has improved a lot in the last two seasons.
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| Unlike some on here, I don't expect our players to be bastions of moral virtue. If they break the rules let the club deal with it. If they break the law let the courts deal with it. If the guy does what we want him to do give him a new contract. If he doesn't then don't. Simple really.
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| Quote: pmh "I'm finished with him, he's dead to me. I feel ashamed to have contributed towards sponsoring him.'"
Fantastic.
Rovers would be daft if they let him go, been the standout player in almost every game this season.
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| Quote: ChampagneSuperRovers "Fantastic.
Rovers would be daft if they let him go, been the standout player in almost every game this season.'"
I just wanted to write "he's dead to me", I just like the flow of it, it isn't what I really think.
I agree, he turns in good performances but it's just been a too much for me. I don't, as Pudsey Robin says above expect the players of our club to be moral bastions on the whole, but my own personal feeling is that I can't support a person that appears to be as Cockayne is. I respect entirely what he did serving in the forces but rugby league is a big thing for me that I do not wish to be sullied.
As I said on an earlier thread, our game game was the first to have a black captain of Great Britain, it is born out of the working classes of the north fighting for equal rights. I know I'm in an ivory tower here and pontificating but it's just how I feel, I'm not really looking to debate this, I fully respect everyone else's difference of opinion here.
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