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| Quote: Mild Rover "We needed and got a special dispensation for Dobson. Whether one would be needed for Mason if he got his passport I don't know - he wouldn't then be an overseas player... but the rules weren't designed to cope with this.'"
As stated here
rlhttps://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.htmlrl
another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "As stated here
rlhttps://www.thisishullandeastriding.co.uk/sport/HULL-KR-Mason-content-play-waiting-game/article-3523143-detail/article.htmlrl
another dispensation will be required if Mason is to be re registered. The RFL don't normally allow the same player to be registered twice for the same club in the same season and the rules do in effect cope with exactly this situation. They seemed a bit huffy in Derby week when pointing out that the "full board of the RFL" would need to agree for yet another dispensation to be offered.'"
I know that is the case for overseas players, to avoid a carousel situation, but I haven't seen anything similar for non-quota players - which is what Mason would then be. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - its absence could be exploited for cap dodging, I suppose. I don't think the HDM knows much more than the rest of us, tbh. The 'huffy' wording was the same as used when Dobson was de-registered, iirc.
I'm just putting an alternative POV out there.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "I know that is the case for overseas players, to avoid a carousel situation, but I haven't seen anything similar for non-quota players - which is what Mason would then be. Doesn't mean it doesn't exist - its absence could be exploited for cap dodging, I suppose. I don't think the HDM knows much more than the rest of us, tbh. The 'huffy' wording was the same as used when Dobson was de-registered, iirc.
I'm just putting an alternative POV out there.'"
That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.
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| Quote: Staffs FC "That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.'"
Who knows what's going to happen if he has to sit out then he has to cudnt we employ him to do sumet else this season.
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| Quote: gingerspice "Who knows what's going to happen if he has to sit out then he has to cudnt we employ him to do sumet else this season.'"
I was quite impressed by the girls selling sweets off a tray like usherettes at the cinema when we were at the KC, maybe he could do that.
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| Quote: pmh "I was quite impressed by the girls selling sweets off a tray like usherettes at the cinema when we were at the KC, maybe he could do that.'"
Yeah what in the east stand good idea, was thinking more in training tho, of he could become a new robinette
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| Quote: Staffs FC "That's fine I was just pointing out the article. FWIW my understanding is that it isn't anything to do with overseas/quota etc. it's purely about registering any player twice in the same season. As we know all players have to be registered by a club with the RFL to be allowed to play and the RFL don't normally register the same player twice for the same club in the same season.'" I have just had a look and I cannot see any reason in the rules that will stop mason being re-registered as he will no longer fall under the 'quota' rule.
The closest I can find for a none quota player is.
Quote: Staffs FC "OFFER OF RE-ENGAGEMENT – DEADLINE & MEANS OF DELIVERY
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| So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.
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| Quote: gingerspice "So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.'" TBH it depends how the RFL look at it.
There doesn't seem to be anything in the rules for this situation.
Mason stopped being a Rovers player whilst he was 'quota' he will then (Hopefully) return no longer being in that catagory.
So the RFL could view it that as he went off our register under one catagory he has to come on under the same catagory.
Or they could say he has changed catagory after de-registering and therefore no longer counts on that catagory.
I would assume the second situation simply because he will then have a passport which mean's legally the RFL can no longer count him as 'quota'.
Im essence its is a hell of a mess rulewise.
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| Quote: gingerspice "So RW that would mean rovers did not have to ask for special dispensation from the rfl that would make sense then, and rovers are in fact doing nothing wrong.'"
Tbf, it's a lot of speculation based on limited information. My criticism of the HDM is that they seem to be focussing [isolely[/i on the most negative possible outcomes. Now, they may be party to info that I'm not but if they are, they aren't saying what. Also they have already changed their tune once.
Until the passport arrives there isn't anything that can be done. If and when it does the RFL [imight[/i refuse to re-register Mason. However, the assumption that they definately won't is based on some questionable assumptions, IMO.
1. It is Rovers fault that Mason requires a Tongan passport. It is not the club's or player's fault it has not been issued - the circumstances are exceptional. The club messed up - but not as badly as has been portrayed by some.
2. That refusing to register Mason would not be potentially problematic for the RFL. I think it [imight[/i. None of this is his fault.
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| No it's not his fault in hindsight he shudnt have been signed all cos of galeas passport, although willi wud have known flying into the country he was doing it minus his Tongan passport, when do the government re group or what ever it is they do, think he needs his passport asap now so we can put this whole situation behind us and get back to trying to win games.
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| Whatever happened to Ben Galea becoming Maltese? Did we just give up on that or could he not get dual citizenship?
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| Quote: pmh "Whatever happened to Ben Galea becoming Maltese? Did we just give up on that or could he not get dual citizenship?'"
I don't think he could become a malteser so they tried for him to become a snicker instead, it's all nuts if u ask me
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| Quote: pmh "Whatever happened to Ben Galea becoming Maltese? Did we just give up on that or could he not get dual citizenship?'"
Must have fallen through. All I can think is that they have tightened the rules or Galea's family left a generation earlier than Vella's or something. That was the mistake - the Tonga stuff is basically just bad luck.
Quote: pmh "I don't think he could become a malteser so they tried for him to become a snicker instead, it's all nuts if u ask me'"
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| Quote: pmh "Whatever happened to Ben Galea becoming Maltese? Did we just give up on that or could he not get dual citizenship?'"
Even if galea got his Maltese passport, we could not re-register Mason as a quota player as far as I read it, we could however go out and sign another quota player that has not already been registered.
Scenario on their 'demand' the RFL punish us severely, even though we are well within the rules of the RFL.
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