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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Nice try, but no cigar, I'm afraid. You specifically mocked Dowes' tackle-busting. His tackle-busting is better than that of Clinton, Watts, Wheeldon and Netherton. Dress it up how you like, but those are the facts. ![]()
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Oh, come on, Roofs, which bit is a lie?
Not the Radford bit, clearly
Quote: Roofs "Morgan wanted Radford but the fans didnt.'"
Nor the stats bit on tacklebusting:
Dowes 15 in 25 = 0.60 per game
Clinton 13 in 23 = 0.57 per game
Watts 14 in 26 = 0.54 per game
Wheeldon 9 in 22 = 0.41 per game
Netherton 8 in 24 = 0.33 per game
Do be more specfic. 
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Oh, come on, Roofs, which bit is a lie?
Not the Radford bit, clearly:
Nor the stats bit on tacklebusting:
Dowes 15 in 25
Where have these tacklebusting stats come from? 
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Oh dear.
We could get technical and point out that Morgan has a preference for more mobile props who cover the ground quicker and get a quicker play the ball away but i fear it would go completely over your head.
I await Ewan's line breaking performances with interest now 
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "Oh dear.
We could get technical'"
We could, but you tried that by singling out Dowes' tacklebusts as a specific area of weakness when he outperforms your MOS-elect as well as Watts in this respect. Best not.
Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "I await Ewan's line breaking performances with interest now'"
Well based on last year's stats you'll wait less time to see one from Ewan than the majority of your props.  |
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| Not really England was like a GB 2nd team in those days.
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "Not really England was like a GB 2nd team in those days.
Lets see if Mrs B can come back with stats/averages based on actual minutes on the field seeing as she want more specific ![]()
Are you allowed to enter into a new negotiation whilst still reneging on the old one?
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "I'm well aware of that. You said England. Dowes has played for England. Same as Dowes has made more tackle busts both in absolute terms and per game than most of Rovers props. I know you don't like it, that's why you've tried to excuse Watts on the basis of position, despite the fact that there are actually backrowers like Manu who made over 90 last year, and you've challenged it on a "per game" basis and that didn't work either. Keep digging that hole though. ![]()
Blah Blah.
So tackle busts averages based on actual time spent on the field are what then.
Its a simple enough request
I mean come on, your delight when Clinton only played 2 short spells on his debut at Cas was all over this forum.
Just reply with the answer not your usual flannel.
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "Blah Blah.
So tackle busts averages based on actual time spent on the field are what then.
Its a simple enough request ![]()
You had a strop with the absolute numbers and demanded a per game number. I provided one which showed Dowes' supremacy. You tried to exclude Watts on the basis of position, which made you look more of an @rse because some backrowers can do 90+ a season. You're now asking for another set of measures which I don't even have the data to calculate. It's unlikely that Dowes would be trailing far behind this group of Rovers props as you imply, since he played 11 games off the bench, but I can see why you might want to try this as your other attempts to justify your mocking of Dowes tacklebusting have fallen sadly flat.
Face facts. He's actually not as cr@p as you'd like us to believe. It irks you that I've given you some stats to suggest he doesn't lag behind all Rovers props, even superstars Clinton and Watts, and has more tackle busts in absolute terms and per game than them, and Wheeldon, and Netherton. This is all the more astonishing when you consider his tackles + marker tackles were 741, compared to Clinton 541, Netherton 577, Watts 715 and Wheeldon 460. Big engine for Dowesy, then.
Fortunately, however, I do have the 2009 stats, which, amazingly, show the same picture (number of tackle busts and per game):
Dowes 25 1.14
Aizue 16 1.07
Vella 14 0.93
Netherton 12 0.60
Fozzard 11 0.55
In the context of tackles made (absolute and per game), it's quite extraordinary that he performs so well in both. Massive engine. Well done Dowesy 
Dowes 781 35.5
Fozzard 574 28.7
Netherton 558 27.9
Vella 355 23.7
Aizue 216 14.4
The irony of you trying to hold someone to account given my sig is utterly delicious. 
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "You had a strop with the absolute numbers and demanded a per game number.
Did i ![]()
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| Quote: Gavin Miller - Legend "
Did i
Where did i demand anything I said he had played more games then 3 of the 4 players you stated which was factually correct
And adjusting for the number of games, Dowes is the best.
Dowes is and out and out prop whose breif will be run directly into the opposition defence and smash through it if possible.
Watts as an example is one of the best off loading forwards in the SL now.
Wheeldon is the best prop at Rovers for finding his front and getting a quick play the ball something Dowes doesnt have in his game.
As for supremacy, you should have played him in the play off game then and your season might have been prolonged
All very interesting, and probably true, but you specifically slated Dowes in his ability to break tackles. I'd guess this was Fozzard's and Vella's brief in 2009 (see the stats for 2009 above), but Dowes delivered far better.
Which without actual facts is just your opinion. Pay for the Opta stats, you like being sad and going onto websites and paying for information if you think it suits your needs as has been proved with clubs accounts
No thanks, I've spent quite enough this weekend in Hull FC's rather excellent shop, full of stock and geared up for the key Christmas trading period.
Face Facts, if you hadnt missed on on targets he would be an ex Hull FC player by now.
Correct, I'd rather have Fielden or LMS, that's hardly startling, is it? Not like we were desperately disappointed like Morgan was to miss out on key target Radford. ![]()
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