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Quote: Mrs Barista "The selection of just one club, the one with the worst deterioration in a league with overall improving results, as a comparator for Rovers performance is frankly a journalistic embarrassment. Why would you just pick Saints when 8 clubs improved (2 of which by £1m and £800k) and only 4 went backwards? Do you think someone has just told him this anecdotally and he's printed it without being @rsed to see what anyone else has done?'"


I think we both know the answers here:

(1) Mullen is to journalism as Cabman is to understatement.

(2) After the recent retraction of the article he penned last year (same subject), the Mail are looking to avoid a similar reaction from Rovers.

A far better comparator would have been Huddersfield. Similar on field performance in SL, although they did reach Wembley (you wouldn't tell from the financial results!), fairly similar gates.

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Quote: Mild Rover "Where one sees these big swings, how much is 'real' as a layman would understand it and how much is down to accounting practices/client choice and the way dates fall? As a layman I find some of them hard to, ahem, account for.'"

You can't really tell for most clubs as they only file a balance sheet, so you have to take the P&L movement. The thing is, though, is that accounting in businesses of this size in in this sector are relatively simple, compared to say manufacturing or financial services for example. There may be some grey areas like provisions (where you have to take a judgement on a future liability that's not fully quantifiable yet, for example), but generally speaking it's not an accounting minefield. The swing at Leeds is pretty easy to understand as they are in a league of their own financially and the £700k profit is more representative of their underlying position than the loss they made the previous year which IIRC had an exceptional item in it. Salford's not sure about - they don't seem to have spent the full cap, but it is a big turnaround. Warrington's can be explained by their CC appearance. Cas also improved significantly. The accounting dates point is not really that relevant as clubs have either an October or November year end to coincide with contract end dates. Having said that Leeds results are for only 10 months, so maybe on a like for like basis they're actually better than the £700k reported over a full year.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "The selection of just one club, the one with the worst deterioration in a league with overall improving results, as a comparator for Rovers performance is frankly a journalistic embarrassment. Why would you just pick Saints when 8 clubs improved (2 of which by £1m and £800k) and only 4 went backwards? Do you think someone has just told him this anecdotally and he's printed it without being @rsed to see what anyone else has done?'"


I fail to see what all your ranting about Rovers accounts is trying to prove.Stop worrying about us, we'll be alright icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: SirStan "I think we both know the answers here

Maybe, but in 2009 their passes were £60. The one that stands out for me is Salford, and on the face of it, I think they've played it quite cleverly. Clearly under threat from a license perspective, they've cut their cloth significantly this year knowing the stadium was going ahead and must have mentally written performances off in lieu of the medium term bigger picture. They'll be going into the license applications with a new stadium underway, a breakeven position in the most recent filed accounts, a Manchester location that's not in the catchment for another club, and some decent signings coming in. Quite canny.

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Quote: GraftonRed "I fail to see what all your ranting about Rovers accounts is trying to prove.Stop worrying about us, we'll be alright I'm not ranting about Rovers accounts, I'm saying Mullan is a journalistically challenged halfwit who wouldn't know a piece of independent and relevant context if it bit him on the @rse. This applies equally to his rugby league exclusives and his rather poor financial article today.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "I'm not ranting about Rovers accounts, I'm saying Mullan is a journalistically challenged halfwit who wouldn't know a piece of independent and relevant context if it bit him on the @rse. This applies equally to his rugby league exclusives and his rather poor financial article today.'"


Why don't you comment on the website the article appeared on then. If you're only questioning Mullan's journalistic skills what has that got to do with Hull KR or this forum?

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Quote: WormInHand "Where on earth is Barnacle Bill?

One could almost conclude it's really Barnacle Charlie given Mullet's insistence on not only including this anomaly but also using it as the illustration to compare SL clubs' financial performances. An applaudable attempt to prove Rovers' return is as rosie as their red breasts.'"


I'm here but really, really struggling to understand the gibberish you've just written. icon_eek.gif

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "Why don't you comment on the website the article appeared on then. If you're only questioning Mullan's journalistic skills what has that got to do with Hull KR or this forum?'"

He's the Hull KR reporter and the very opening words of this thread were a link to his "report".

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Quote: Mrs Barista "He's the Hull KR reporter and the very opening words of this thread were a link to his "report".'"


But you're only commenting on his journalistic skills. It would seem the appropriate place for that is the website the article is published on.

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Quote: Barnacle Bill "I'm here but really, really struggling to understand the gibberish you've just written.
I'm simply acknowledging that you were convinced in your insistence that Harlequins results should be included for comparative 2009 performance analysis despite their huge loss being an obvious anomaly to the rest of the SL clubs. (On VT).

In a similar way, Mullen has used the most extreme swing compared to last years results in quoting St Helens' dramatic negative increase in loss to seemingly give a benchmark to compare Rovers' performance.

Why would he do that? In the same way that no sane person would include Quins 2009 performance when illustrating an average for the other clubs.

I thought this showed you and Mullen shared similar traits in your approach to producing unbiased figures. Did you go to the same school of accountancy?

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