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Quote: Mrs Barista "10 minutes of your life you'll not get back. Player valuations have nothing to do with profit.
Does amuse me on here the way that some people still believe FC's valuation of players has contributed in any way to it's accounts. icon_lol.gif

Can they not understand it equates to a side note to the auditors?

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Quote: R.B.A "Once the value is established could it turn into further financial good news if new or existing shareholders are permitted to purchase further shares?'"


Raising cash through share options is always a decent way to make money, providing again that existing shareholders are happy to have a smaller % of the club in doing so.

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He doesn't mention Leeds, who stepped up from a loss of £300k to a profit of £700k, an improvement of £1m. He doesn't mention Salford who went from a loss of £800k to a loss of £19k. He doesn't mention that Warrington went from a loss of £200k to a profit of £200k. These are the biggest swings in performance...

He also fails to reference that in terms of profitability, Rovers are 9th out of 12 clubs to file for 2009, compared to 7th out of 12 for the previous year. Everyone has to raise their game now that licenses are up for review, particularly with Widnes posting £1m profit in a SL standard stadium. Many clubs have stepped up, and some have done more than others in this respect...
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Where one sees these big swings, how much is 'real' as a layman would understand it and how much is down to accounting practices/client choice and the way dates fall? As a layman I find some of them hard to, ahem, account for.

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Quote: SirStan "You could have just stopped there. Surely nothing else in his report came as a surprise?'"

The selection of just one club, the one with the worst deterioration in a league with overall improving results, as a comparator for Rovers performance is frankly a journalistic embarrassment. Why would you just pick Saints when 8 clubs improved (2 of which by £1m and £800k) and only 4 went backwards? Do you think someone has just told him this anecdotally and he's printed it without being @rsed to see what anyone else has done?

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Not a bad result when put against the average of the 13 clubs who have thus far declared (-£272,592)

Both Rovers and the league average are headed in the right direction.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "The selection of just one club, the one with the worst deterioration in a league with overall improving results, as a comparator for Rovers performance is frankly a journalistic embarrassment. Why would you just pick Saints when 8 clubs improved (2 of which by £1m and £800k) and only 4 went backwards? Do you think someone has just told him this anecdotally and he's printed it without being @rsed to see what anyone else has done?'"


I think we both know the answers here:

(1) Mullen is to journalism as Cabman is to understatement.

(2) After the recent retraction of the article he penned last year (same subject), the Mail are looking to avoid a similar reaction from Rovers.

A far better comparator would have been Huddersfield. Similar on field performance in SL, although they did reach Wembley (you wouldn't tell from the financial results!), fairly similar gates.

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Quote: Mild Rover "Where one sees these big swings, how much is 'real' as a layman would understand it and how much is down to accounting practices/client choice and the way dates fall? As a layman I find some of them hard to, ahem, account for.'"

You can't really tell for most clubs as they only file a balance sheet, so you have to take the P&L movement. The thing is, though, is that accounting in businesses of this size in in this sector are relatively simple, compared to say manufacturing or financial services for example. There may be some grey areas like provisions (where you have to take a judgement on a future liability that's not fully quantifiable yet, for example), but generally speaking it's not an accounting minefield. The swing at Leeds is pretty easy to understand as they are in a league of their own financially and the £700k profit is more representative of their underlying position than the loss they made the previous year which IIRC had an exceptional item in it. Salford's not sure about - they don't seem to have spent the full cap, but it is a big turnaround. Warrington's can be explained by their CC appearance. Cas also improved significantly. The accounting dates point is not really that relevant as clubs have either an October or November year end to coincide with contract end dates. Having said that Leeds results are for only 10 months, so maybe on a like for like basis they're actually better than the £700k reported over a full year.

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Quote: Mrs Barista "The selection of just one club, the one with the worst deterioration in a league with overall improving results, as a comparator for Rovers performance is frankly a journalistic embarrassment. Why would you just pick Saints when 8 clubs improved (2 of which by £1m and £800k) and only 4 went backwards? Do you think someone has just told him this anecdotally and he's printed it without being @rsed to see what anyone else has done?'"


I fail to see what all your ranting about Rovers accounts is trying to prove.Stop worrying about us, we'll be alright icon_rolleyes.gif

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Quote: SirStan "I think we both know the answers here

Maybe, but in 2009 their passes were £60. The one that stands out for me is Salford, and on the face of it, I think they've played it quite cleverly. Clearly under threat from a license perspective, they've cut their cloth significantly this year knowing the stadium was going ahead and must have mentally written performances off in lieu of the medium term bigger picture. They'll be going into the license applications with a new stadium underway, a breakeven position in the most recent filed accounts, a Manchester location that's not in the catchment for another club, and some decent signings coming in. Quite canny.

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Quote: GraftonRed "I fail to see what all your ranting about Rovers accounts is trying to prove.Stop worrying about us, we'll be alright I'm not ranting about Rovers accounts, I'm saying Mullan is a journalistically challenged halfwit who wouldn't know a piece of independent and relevant context if it bit him on the @rse. This applies equally to his rugby league exclusives and his rather poor financial article today.

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