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| Quote: Roverswall "I thought they were 2 seperate points?
If not what are the full 10 as I was trying to work it out at work and if you are right I could think of only 9.'" I have
1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?)
2. Solvency
3. $4M+ Turnover
4. No Cap breaches
5. +12K(?) Stadium
6. World Class Stadium
7. % Of stadium capacity
8. Youth Players
9. No other SL club in 60 miles
10. Average placings? |
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Quote: Roverswall "I have
1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?)
2. Solvency
3. $4M+ Turnover
4. No Cap breaches
5. +12K(?) Stadium
6. World Class Stadium
7. % Of stadium capacity
8. Youth Players
9. No other SL club in 60 miles
10. Average placings?'"
You're missing average attendance over 10k. Also, I doubt the salary cap breaches point will be in the next round of criteria due to the live nature of the cap now - it's not a differentiator.
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Quote: Roverswall "I have
1. Contribution To the Comp (Average placings?)
2. Solvency
3. $4M+ Turnover
4. No Cap breaches
5. +12K(?) Stadium
6. World Class Stadium
7. % Of stadium capacity
8. Youth Players
9. No other SL club in 60 miles
10. Average placings?'"
You're missing average attendance over 10k. Also, I doubt the salary cap breaches point will be in the next round of criteria due to the live nature of the cap now - it's not a differentiator.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "You're missing average attendance over 10k. Also, I doubt the salary cap breaches point will be in the next round of criteria due to the live nature of the cap now - it's not a differentiator.
By all accounts the 10 point syatem wasn't used last time apparently it would be strange if they have now gotten rid of 1 of their own points before its ever used.
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Wasn't there something about the average attendance percentage of the full stadium capacity?
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| Quote: Captain Dave "Wasn't there something about the average attendance percentage of the full stadium capacity?'" Yes mate 60% I think. |
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JUST TAKEN THIS OFF WIPEDIA
Licence criteria
Stage two of the licence decision process saw the clubs allocated the points used to decide licence grades according to their strength in several areas.[5]
Facilities
Teams will get one point for having a stadium with a capacity of 12,000 or more. Another point will be awarded if the ground meets the standards of a premier competition in the 21st century.[9]
Attendances
A point will be awarded to clubs with an average attendance of around 10,000 spectators. Another point will be awarded if stadiums are operating at 40 per cent capacity.[9]
Finances
Teams will receive a point if they are solvent. Another point will be awarded if their turnover is more than £4 million.[9]
Player strength
Teams earn one point if they are considered to have made a contribution to the competition - that means averaging a place in the top eight over each of the last three seasons. Another point is available to clubs who make a contribution to home-grown player development. That means at least eight members of a first-team squad of 25 should be discovered, trained and developed in the team's home country (United Kingdom or France).[9]
Salary cap
One point is on offer to teams who have not committed a major breach of the salary cap in the last three seasons.[9]
Geographical expansion
The final point goes to clubs who do not have another rugby league club within a 20-mile radius.[9]
Total score
The scores attained by each club (out of ten) are translated into a Licence grading.
8 or more points - A licence
5-7 points - B licence
4 points or less - C licence
Sky Sports report that it is believed teams who achieve an A or B Licence will be awarded a place in Super League, while those who achieve a C Licence will undergo further scrutiny before the RFL decide who makes the final cut.[9]
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "Widnes chairman said only last month "We now understand what we need to do to get a licence. We are determined to have all the boxes ticked next time." He addedI'd be surprised if they abandon a review of homegrown player development practices and simply count the number of academy players "promoted" to the first team squad instead. But you never know with the RFL. ![]()
There's so much up for interpretation that they should because it's the only fair way to do it.
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| Quote: General Zod. "There's so much up for interpretation that they should because it's the only fair way to do it.'"
They will want to recognise the contribution that clubs like Wigan and Leeds make to the future of the sport by developing future internationals through their academies. Just including academy players notionally in a first team squad doesn't do this. |
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| Quote: hkrdavidhkr "JUST TAKEN THIS OFF WIPEDIA
Licence criteria
Stage two of the licence decision process saw the clubs allocated the points used to decide licence grades according to their strength in several areas.[5]
Facilities
Teams will get one point for having a stadium with a capacity of 12,000 or more. Another point will be awarded if the ground meets the standards of a premier competition in the 21st century.[9]
Attendances
A point will be awarded to clubs with an average attendance of around 10,000 spectators. Another point will be awarded if stadiums are operating at 40 per cent capacity.[9]
Finances
Teams will receive a point if they are solvent. Another point will be awarded if their turnover is more than £4 million.[9]
Player strength
Teams earn one point if they are considered to have made a contribution to the competition - that means averaging a place in the top eight over each of the last three seasons. Another point is available to clubs who make a contribution to home-grown player development. That means at least eight members of a first-team squad of 25 should be discovered, trained and developed in the team's home country (United Kingdom or France).[9]
Salary cap
One point is on offer to teams who have not committed a major breach of the salary cap in the last three seasons.[9]
Geographical expansion
The final point goes to clubs who do not have another rugby league club within a 20-mile radius.[9]
Total score
The scores attained by each club (out of ten) are translated into a Licence grading.
8 or more points - A licence
5-7 points - B licence
4 points or less - C licence
Sky Sports report that it is believed teams who achieve an A or B Licence will be awarded a place in Super League, while those who achieve a C Licence will undergo further scrutiny before the RFL decide who makes the final cut.[9]'"
Guess the Crusaders are stuffed! (or will there be a miraculous change of heart?) |
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| Quote: JB Down Under "Guess the Crusaders are stuffed! (or will there be a miraculous change of heart?)'"
They'll never kick the Crusaders out mate  (same reason they won't boot out Quins - it'd mean accepting defeat, which the RFL can't do!  ). |
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Does anyone know if the criteria will be improved?
I.e. In the name of progress should the average capacity be moved to 50% this time, 60% in 3 years etc.
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "They will want to recognise the contribution that clubs like Wigan and Leeds make to the future of the sport by developing future internationals through their academies. Just including academy players notionally in a first team squad doesn't do this.'"
Give your head a bang - this is simply not gonna happen because a player's quality is merely an individual's intepretation which cannot be applied as valid legislation.
Besides, as the hkrdavidhkr's quote showsThat means at least eight members of a first-team squad of 25 should be discovered, trained and developed in the team's home country (United Kingdom or France).'"
I know it's hard for you to come to terms with, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid.
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| Quote: General Zod. "Give your head a bang - this is simply not gonna happen because a player's quality is merely an individual's intepretation which cannot be applied as valid legislation.
Besides, as the hkrdavidhkr's quote shows
We don't know that. For starters these are last time's criteria. The "8 out of 25" measure was what the RFL deemed as worthy of a point last time but in excess of the minimum requirements. How do you know they won't give a point for, say, 10 homegrown players but none for just having the minimum of 8 next time? Also you are assuming that they will not take into account any qualitative inputs in deciding whether to award the point.
Whilst the aim is to raise standards across the board, there will still be some differentiation required, hence the RFL's statement, that on things like stadia quality, the bar will be raised and clubs have to deliver on what they promised in last time's applications in order to just stand still from a ratings perspective. The definition of what constitutes a "21st century stadium" will have some element of quantitative scoring but will also take account of judgements and opinions of the panel and external assessors and there will be ranking of each club on each criteria.
If the licence application was just a page long and a ticklist of numbers, e.g. attendances over 10k yes/no I would agree with you. The fact is that the process is more of an in-depth audit of every aspect of each club, from finances to stadium quality to marketing and player development, which involves the RFL and external experts. This provides the qualitative context to inform the overall decision and grading, which I understand is as important as the crude top-line measures. I know it's hard for you to come to terms with, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid. 
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| Quote: Mrs Barista "We don't know that. For starters these are last time's criteria. The "8 out of 25" measure was what the RFL deemed as worthy of a point last time but in excess of the minimum requirements. How do you know they won't give a point for, say, 10 homegrown players but none for just having the minimum of 8 next time? Also you are assuming that they will not take into account any qualitative inputs in deciding whether to award the point.
Whilst the aim is to raise standards across the board, there will still be some differentiation required, hence the RFL's statement, that on things like stadia quality, the bar will be raised and clubs have to deliver on what they promised in last time's applications in order to just stand still from a ratings perspective. The definition of what constitutes a "21st century stadium" will have some element of quantitative scoring but will also take account of judgements and opinions of the panel and external assessors and there will be ranking of each club on each criteria.
If the licence application was just a page long and a ticklist of numbers, e.g. attendances over 10k yes/no I would agree with you. The fact is that the process is more of an in-depth audit of every aspect of each club, from finances to stadium quality to marketing and player development, which involves the RFL and external experts. This provides the qualitative context to inform the overall decision and grading, which I understand is as important as the crude top-line measures. I know it's hard for you to come to terms with, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid. ![]()
Correct.
But the bottom line is that a player's ability is merely down to an individual's interpretation and cannot be quantified in the same way that "Stadium X has 1887 seats" or "Stadium X only has X number of toilets"..
I know it's hard for you to understand, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid.
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| Quote: General Zod. "Correct.
But the bottom line is that a player's ability is merely down to an individual's interpretation and cannot be quantified in the same way that "Stadium X has 1887 seats" or "Stadium X only has X number of toilets"..
I know it's hard for you to understand, but that's just the way it goes I'm afraid.'"
Perhaps they'll go for something quantifiable like number of first team appearances of the 8 homegrown players. The fact is that the RFL didn't publish which criteria each club fulfilled and how many points out of 10 they got. Why do you think that is? |
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