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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "I don't agree with your comment (underlined). From chats I have had with Nick Fozzard, Jon Wilkin, Scott Murrell and Chris Chester, both the mentioned clubs attract the better youngsters because (1) they place emphasis on developing players (2) they have excellent facilities and support teams (3) they have pathways to first grade (3) they pay above the average (4) they know their reputation (as youth development clubs) will enhance a players CV (5) they know they will improve players.'"
My point is that they attract the better players, however legitimate the reasons, rather than just making an average set better.
But if they do that as well and it feeds back in, then fair play. It is usually more complex than the gross generalisations I chuck about on here.
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "mild rover, I am more than optimistic especially if I add other reserve graders who are above average like Green, Ollett, Bell, Beaumont, Round, Lee and Bethersall. These are exciting and unprecedented times for Rovers in this current era. The product of a concerted effort to develop youth through micro-management. It will be interesting to see how Sandercock manages these players bearing in mind his reputation in this field of youth development.'"
The thing is, Smokey only sees the players who have come through our system and hit the first team. He isnt seeing the hard work that Rovers are putting into our Scholarship and Academy structures plus the masses of talent that we currently have in there. I am very confident that the next couple of years will see many more come through (although i think you have made a couple of names up in your list )
The proposed new training complex is going to be a massive plus in Rovers favour aswell when it comes to recruiting top youngsters if it comes to fruition.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes, ‘thankfully’ the RFL don’t seem too bothered about clubs failing in their responsibilities to youth development and have allowed HKR to rely on overseas players and put out a squad mostly consisting of NRL reserve graders so they can finish mid-table. Thank god for that.'"
At last, something we can agree on. I'm much happier now. I like the highlighted bit below in our latest summary improving player development system. The club is incrementally developing its stadium which should further increase attendances and commercial revenues, in addition to enhancing community activities at the club. At present Hull KR benefit from director investment to operate at the level that it does but the club has a sound business plan. With the recent strengthening of its management and commercial staff, in addition to facility improvement, the club is likely to continue growing during the next Licence period. Grade B.'"
You see, they understand the "cart before horse" scenario Mr has tried to explain to you. However, the concept of evolution appears to have bi-passed you.
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| Quote: R.B.A "
The proposed new training complex is going to be a massive plus in Rovers favour aswell when it comes to recruiting top youngsters if it comes to fruition.'"
Is this the Allam thing that our friends across the way are getting all hot under the collar about. Again.
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| RBA. . .made some names up? I see what you mean Lol! I stand corrected - Johnson (not Round) and Beharrel (not Bethersal).
On the new training complex (or the Allam Sports community centre) it seems as though Mr Allam has withdrawn his financial support. Lets hope Big John (Prescott) can tease him back to the negotiating table eh!
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Not Liam Watts, who we signed as a 16-year old and qualifies as club trained under every possible interpretation of the rules?'" If '" ]If you want to include Watts then fine, still 3 in 5 years isn’t enough. Even if you had brought through a million it wouldn’t be enough, if it were you wouldn’t have 11 overseas players Quote: Mild Rover "It's the law then, innit? Nowt you can do. I think the loss of the cap would be pretty disasterous (a fear you don't share, I know), because the rich clubs would pursue their own self-interest at the expense of the wider sport. Disappointment implies surprise - I would be disappointed if SL scrapped the cap, leaky and imperfect as it is. If Wigan et al then took advantage, it'd be a bit cack, but entirely unsurprising.'" As Hull KR are pursuing their own self interest at the expense of the wider sport. The fact is HKR are responsible for their actions, the fact there may be a loophole they can use to get around a rule doesn’t mean they should and it doesn’t mean they are absolved of blame for doing so.
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
[quote="vastman":9q9d2t35]My rage isn't impotent luv, I'm frothing at the mouth actually.[/quote:9q9d2t35]: |
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| Quote: R.B.A "The thing is, Smokey only sees the players who have come through our system and hit the first team. He isnt seeing the hard work that Rovers are putting into our Scholarship and Academy structures plus the masses of talent that we currently have in there. I am very confident that the next couple of years will see many more come through (although i think you have made a couple of names up in your list
That’s exactly what was said 1/2/3/4 years ago
There is a ‘proposed’ new training complex, there are youngsters who ‘may’ come through in a few years, though none of this may happen and next year, like last year we will simply be promised jam tomorrow.
There is no excuse for 11 overseas players
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| Quote: SirStan "At last, something we can agree on. I'm much happier now. I like the highlighted bit below in our latest summary
Quote: SirStan "You see, they understand the "cart before horse" scenario Mr has tried to explain to you. However, the concept of evolution appears to have bi-passed you.'" Im guessing they also understand about mixed metaphors and spelling, maybe that bypassed you?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Its not my fault you made an assumption in your attempt to be a smart and it turned out to be wrong. You could have considered whether or not 11 would be the majority of a squad before jumping in with both feet.
Maybe you can give that a shot next time.'" Or you are covering your backside due to an error made by your good self.
Given your track record that is hardly a stretch.
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "Or you are covering your backside due to an error made by your good self.
Given your track record that is hardly a stretch.'"
If thats what you want to pretend, feel free.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If thats what you want to pretend, feel free.'" I'd run a straw pool on the usual VT posters but I already can guess the results (YOU wouldn't like it and would get in your usual 'Quotathon' mode) and I can't be bothered.
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[quote="bUsTiNyAbALLs":9q9d2t35]Do not converse with me you filthy minded deviant.[/quote:9q9d2t35]
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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "I'd run a straw pool on the usual VT posters but I already can guess the results (YOU wouldn't like it and would get in your usual 'Quotathon' mode) and I can't be bothered.'"
You would run a poll on the fact you made a mistake? Im not sure what the question would be, but feel free, whatever you need to do to prove to yourself you didnt make a mistake is up to you.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "You would run a poll on the fact you made a mistake? Im not sure what the question would be, but feel free, whatever you need to do to prove to yourself you didnt make a mistake is up to you.'"
Is this a 5 minute argument or the full 10 minutes
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| Quote: Chang "Is this a 5 minute argument or the full 10 minutes
It will always be the full 10 minutes with Smokey, until you ask him a question which the answer doesn't fit his agenda. I'm still waiting for him to tell me what RFL rules Hull KR broke over the deregistration of Michael Dobson back in the Summer, never did manage that one did you matey?
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "If you want to include Watts then fine, still 3 in 5 years isn’t enough.'"
Wire don't get this grief though and they've been in SL much longer.
Their best 17 this season gone was probably...
Hodgson, J. Monaghan, Bridge, Atkins, King, Myler, Briers, Carvell, M. Monaghan, Morley, Westwood, Anderson, Harrison.
Wood, Solomona, Higham, Clarke.
Cooper, Blythe, Riley on the fringes but we've got players on the fringes too.
Briers will qualify, but only in the same way that Murrell does for us. So that leaves Wood and Harrison.
The difference, you will no doubt point out, is that only 6 were overseas players. They [ibuy[/i British, we tend to look to the NRL. That is a debate worth having. The conflation of youth-development with who we bring in from outside the club and from where is a red herring that distracts from the real issue, IMO.
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