Never been any questions in my mind on this and yes we'll finish top 3. Any fool can see what we have spent on players we have a very experienced coach and 4 games at home. Those suggesting we may get pipped to third by Toronto clearly have not digested the fixture list nor understood the disruption factor for them

The concern for me is - so what? I started a thread months ago on where we are headed. Last night's 80 minutes was a good illustration of the last 6 years dicking about in the bottom 4. There will be plenty of chimps clapping along like it's success to beat London or better yet part-time Halifax at home but there is nothing to suggest we will be any better any time soon. In fact with a team promoted and only one down the complacency of recent years could mean there is less interest. The top 5 will be this year's top 4 and Catalans.

The current format had obvious disadvantages for recruitment. But at least it forced performance and action. I don't see how we progress to top 5 with most of this squad retained and a coach who'll be 70 or 71 when his new deal expires. Apart from Mulhern which of our squad would Wigan or Saints want? Yes the board will come out with the same PR of wanting to consolidate and challenge for trophies but this is the same board that said years ago and more than once they would walk if they thought all we were doing was surviving and trying to get in the play offs.. Again there will be those that think the new financial deal is to our advantage but it's the same for all clubs some of them already doing more than us in worse grounds and lower crowds yet better squad's. This post will be criticised as negative no doubt. If anyone can take some facts from our years since 2012 to point to genuine reasons to expect better things coming up I am keen to see them

Nice to see you back you miserable git every team has the same problems the top five have different to us but still have problems you should be happy you do not support hull F.C. at the moment if you did you would be crying lol

Just a slight positive. We were one of the form teams at the back end of the regular season. Unfortunately did not get our top players back on the pitch in time. Don’t accept your ageist comment at all. I can get you the telephone number of the Samaritans if you would like it.

What a judge you are mate,mulhearn different class.

No sensible points to make as to why 2019 and beyond will buck the all too familiar pattern of the last half dozen. The pont about Sheens age was that we need something radically different to push forward so if you can point as to what this will be compared to the last 2 years go ahead. What we need is better value from our playing budget and for Peacock to earn his corn in attracting top line players to the club. Unless this happens we'll be here again in 2019 celebrating Derby wins as the highlight in a bottom 4 finish. And comforting ourselves that it will be better next year because of less injuries.

Sheens was always here to ‘steady the ship’ so it seems to me. A proven track record of good coached teams. He will leave us in a better position then he found us.
Sandercock wasn’t a proven coach but young with new ideas.......that appointment set us back a decade.

That my friend is true maybe once we manage to stay up we may get better player and 1 up 1 down will help

I’d accept the need to build sustainably. Bradford, Leigh and Salford are some cautionary tales from recent years. But I think we’re the example of building slowly leading to drift and taking one step backwards without realising how close you are to the brink. As with all things, it’s a balance.

When I think of clubs outside the very top group of SL teams (ie. Leeds, Saints and Wigan) who have ‘levelled up’, for a while at least, it can often be traced back a bold decision or strategy. Our ambitious recruitment for 2008, Wire fans regularly being quizzed about how their club could be within the cap, Cas appointing Powell, Radford going for POWER at Hull, Wakefield’s positive response to surviving the first MPG.

If this is the year we definitively turn the corner, I hope we try to accelerate out of it.

In reply to Mild Rover
Mental strength is up there with "team spirit" and "playing for the fans" as a myth trotted out when a few tight games are won. I saw little of this when we leaked 24 points against part-time Halifax or allowed London back within 2 yesterday and both of these lower league opponents. I would agree having Mags has helped simply as his experience in tight games brings a different level of organisation. I don't buy that we're at a different level of resilience now to challenge the top teams consistently which after all is what we've been supposedly "working towards" since promotion from the Northern Ford.

Regards the pack I agree that Mulhern has been unplayable at times and this is what JP is paid to deliver. I am a fan of Masoe also. What I don't see is the match day 9 forwards group being good enough to challenge. Let's say we want to pick off Wakefield next year as a target. Their forwards include Fifita, Pauli Pauli, Huby, England, Horo and Arona - average quality man for man better than ours. We can recruit the likes of Kavanagh or Scruton to "do a job" if that job is bottom 4 and beating those in the lower league. But they aren't able week in and out of getting over packs like Catalans or Wakefield and have already been dominated by one from Salford whose very existence is threatened.

Injuries are an evergreen issue for us. This year has been unusually bad yes. But Lunt and Mcguire are our key players and both spend too long on the sidelines. We have hedged bets this year bringing in a large squad of average players which fortunately has been enough to retain SL status. You call it a reclamation project but all we've really done is avoid another MPG. Again we've come up short of pre season targets. Again Mike Smith or NH will say that next year there will be a change of direction and explain it will all be different either because of youth focus, fewer better players, more experienced players a different culture that respects the fans or whatever. 7000 fans are happy with this cycle of talk, disappointment and mediocrity it seems so...

Finally safer SL status might benefit us to attract top players. But it also helps Salford, Wakefield, Catalans, Hull, Huddersfield..all except Hull in more attractive locations..

Of course we can hope. But every season we hold an autopsy of where it went wrong and like every club imagine the findings are being addressed and convince ourselves that hope of challenging is realistic. A quick look at our SL history shows nothing to back this hope up and even less since Morgan left.

Plenty I agree with in that.

However, I genuinely feel we don’t fall in a heap as easily or as often as we used to. That, together with improvements in the pack, mean we don’t always have to play well for 80 minutes to win, which was always a huge ask and seemed to leave us mentally exhausted for a couple of weeks when we did occasionally manage it. People like Phil Clarke bang on about consistency being the difference between the top teams and the rest. Imo, it’s more about having an extra gear and being able to win a game in 20 minutes. I’m not saying we have that, but we can now win a game with 50 or 60 good minutes. Which is a big positive, imo.

I guess ‘challenging’ most obviously means being in contention for trophies. And i’d love that, obviously. However, just being able to challenge any opponent in any round of the competition would be nice enough for now, rather than looking at the fixture list for the next winnable game and it being 5 weeks away or something. Maybe that’s settling for mediocrity, but for me that would bring the fun back at least.

2016 relegation.

2017 league leaders and then promotion.

2018 10th in Super League , 11 points better than bottom and on the brink of negotiating the qualifiers.

Modest yearly improvements but improvements nevertheless and we have signed most of our best players on long term deals. I'm confident we can achieve a similar modest improvement in 2019 it's silly to demand more.

I don’t know what you expect zook this season was all about survival regardless of what the club says your points will be valid if next season is the same but we have improved teams of the recent past wouldn’t have comeback against Cas and Leeds away and attracting players for the promoted side is always going to be a problem so if we survive and I’m sure we will going with 34 similar players barring a couple of exceptions seems to be the right move you only have to look at what happened to Leigh to see what’s been achieved