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| Quote: Anakin Skywalker "You were the one who failed to stipulate matchday or full squad.
Maybe you can give that a shot next time.'"
Its not my fault you made an assumption in your attempt to be a smart and it turned out to be wrong. You could have considered whether or not 11 would be the majority of a squad before jumping in with both feet.
Maybe you can give that a shot next time.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Would you really class two player coming through the HKR system to HKR regular in 5 years on schedule? If so its the least ambitious schedule possible. Hell I would have expected a better return from Crusaders than that. I doubt you would be so relaxed about it if a club like Hull FC for instance had found a loophole in the Salary Cap which allowed them to spend huge amounts of extra money which whilst not explicitly against the rules was totally against the reasons the SC existed or they encouraged their players to challenge the legality of the SC in an effort to allow them to spend more. Which in principle would be the same as what HKR and other clubs are doing in regards to the quota.'"
Out of morbid curiosity, which two are you granting us as 'real' in your munificence? 'HKR regular' means you don't want to give us Frankie Mariano, I assume. So that must mean you count Josh Hodgson, which I wouldn't, but fair enough. Who is the other?
Clubs do exploit loopholes in the salary cap - that is hardly a secret. As long as they aren't flat out cheating, I can accept it easily enough. If it was looser still, I'd direct my disappointment at the RFL, rather than Wigan, Warrington or whoever else decided to spend £3m a year or whatever. If they could afford to spend that kind of money via a loophole, I can't imagine them stinting themselves.
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| mild rover, assuming my maths are correct (even with 'smokeys' abacus) the amount of money I am aware Rovers have invested in youth development is between £200,000-£250,000pa (well, at least over the past 3 years). These are six-figure sums?
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Out of morbid curiosity, which two are you granting us as 'real' in your munificence? 'HKR regular' means you don't want to give us Frankie Mariano, I assume. So that must mean you count Josh Hodgson, which I wouldn't, but fair enough. Who is the other?
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| Quote: Paul T - HKR "mild rover, I am more than optimistic especially if I add other reserve graders who are above average like Green, Ollett, Bell, Beaumont, Round, Lee and Bethersall. These are exciting and unprecedented times for Rovers in this current era. The product of a concerted effort to develop youth through micro-management. It will be interesting to see how Sandercock manages these players bearing in mind his reputation in this field of youth development.'"
The thing is, Smokey only sees the players who have come through our system and hit the first team. He isnt seeing the hard work that Rovers are putting into our Scholarship and Academy structures plus the masses of talent that we currently have in there. I am very confident that the next couple of years will see many more come through (although i think you have made a couple of names up in your list )
The proposed new training complex is going to be a massive plus in Rovers favour aswell when it comes to recruiting top youngsters if it comes to fruition.
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| Quote: SmokeyTA "Yes, ‘thankfully’ the RFL don’t seem too bothered about clubs failing in their responsibilities to youth development and have allowed HKR to rely on overseas players and put out a squad mostly consisting of NRL reserve graders so they can finish mid-table. Thank god for that.'"
At last, something we can agree on. I'm much happier now. I like the highlighted bit below in our latest summary improving player development system. The club is incrementally developing its stadium which should further increase attendances and commercial revenues, in addition to enhancing community activities at the club. At present Hull KR benefit from director investment to operate at the level that it does but the club has a sound business plan. With the recent strengthening of its management and commercial staff, in addition to facility improvement, the club is likely to continue growing during the next Licence period. Grade B.'"
You see, they understand the "cart before horse" scenario Mr has tried to explain to you. However, the concept of evolution appears to have bi-passed you.
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| Quote: R.B.A "
The proposed new training complex is going to be a massive plus in Rovers favour aswell when it comes to recruiting top youngsters if it comes to fruition.'"
Is this the Allam thing that our friends across the way are getting all hot under the collar about. Again.
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| RBA. . .made some names up? I see what you mean Lol! I stand corrected - Johnson (not Round) and Beharrel (not Bethersal).
On the new training complex (or the Allam Sports community centre) it seems as though Mr Allam has withdrawn his financial support. Lets hope Big John (Prescott) can tease him back to the negotiating table eh!
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Not Liam Watts, who we signed as a 16-year old and qualifies as club trained under every possible interpretation of the rules?'" If '" ]If you want to include Watts then fine, still 3 in 5 years isn’t enough. Even if you had brought through a million it wouldn’t be enough, if it were you wouldn’t have 11 overseas players Quote: Mild Rover "It's the law then, innit? Nowt you can do. I think the loss of the cap would be pretty disasterous (a fear you don't share, I know), because the rich clubs would pursue their own self-interest at the expense of the wider sport. Disappointment implies surprise - I would be disappointed if SL scrapped the cap, leaky and imperfect as it is. If Wigan et al then took advantage, it'd be a bit cack, but entirely unsurprising.'" As Hull KR are pursuing their own self interest at the expense of the wider sport. The fact is HKR are responsible for their actions, the fact there may be a loophole they can use to get around a rule doesn’t mean they should and it doesn’t mean they are absolved of blame for doing so.
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| Quote: R.B.A "The thing is, Smokey only sees the players who have come through our system and hit the first team. He isnt seeing the hard work that Rovers are putting into our Scholarship and Academy structures plus the masses of talent that we currently have in there. I am very confident that the next couple of years will see many more come through (although i think you have made a couple of names up in your list
That’s exactly what was said 1/2/3/4 years ago
There is a ‘proposed’ new training complex, there are youngsters who ‘may’ come through in a few years, though none of this may happen and next year, like last year we will simply be promised jam tomorrow.
There is no excuse for 11 overseas players
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