More depressing still is that Bridge and Smith are considered amongst the best options at centre.

Who is your choice then?

complete rubbish, what the ozzie wingers had was chances we played a forward which gave fox and hall little or no ball going forward.

Keith Senior

thought shenton was very good tonight i think we missed him when he went off, any news on him?

tbf i have no problems with what happened to night, i thought we played the best tactics for us and probably the best side.

what we need to do, all sl clubs, is develop players to be international standard and not just to win sl games.

He went up to get his medal after the game i believe they said, but he was walking around ok after the game.

good news then, cheers.

I agree, hence the drawing board

i thought you meant for smith.

never mind we agree! i'm happy with that!

When people say 'international standard', do they mean 'Australian standard' - if we picked a squad on that basis it'd have no backs, which wouldn't help at all.

With Briscoe at full back, you might say we want a Greenshields, Slater or Webb style player, but a similar style of player without the same level of quality isn't the answer. I would offer just as much in attack as I would defence as a Test fullback - unfortunately I'm poo. I certainly wouldn't be able to save a try by knocking the ball loose with a last ditch tackle.

Anyway, it pains me but the Aussies are fantastic. In both codes of Rugby England are reduced to relying a big pack and keeping it tight and it isn't enough anymore. I think it is a cultural thing and it will remain very hard to change. With Peacock, Burgess, Morley, Graham and Crabtree already in the team, some wanted Carvell in there [ias well[/i, which just seems desperate. I understand that desperation - England look so toothless in the 'red zone' compared to the Aussies. Still a win against the Kiwis last week and blooding a few kids, is more consolation than I was expecting.

all in all i think england played well, but as i said to my old man at half time, the aussies have another gear were as england was at their top gear at the end of the 1st half, its a shame really because i though and hoped england would win...
now its over i want a peter fox watch off general zod please if it isnt too much to ask! how do you think he went zod???

We're trying to hard, we need to make the standard of our league better to improve youngsters coming through. We need every club to have the worlds best players in them for the youngsters to learn off. I don't think getting all clubs to blood as many youngsters possible is the answer.