no, he isn't

Very erudite. And well argued sir.

On 2014 form, Elliot Whitehead would get my vote.

If he's that good and worth putting up with his misdemeanours then why won;t wigan have him back? I fully agree with you though, hull kr should sign him

Because Shaun Wane doesn't want him. Simple as. It's SWs way or the highway.

Try reading the second sentence. I presume you are able?

Has been. Shouldn't have been allowed to play again following a positive drugs test.

Where do you stand on recreational drugs? Because that's what it was - not performance enhancing. He copped a two year ban for recreational drug use which was harsh. Terry Newton got two years for using HGH. It hardly equates does it?

As for him being a has been, did you watch Salford much last season? Their fans seemed happy enough with his form until his latest (rather comical) misdemeanour. Even if he is a 'has been' he could improve most teams in Super League.

Anyway it looks like he's off to Wire - so he won't be bringing down the tone in East Hull!

Doing recreational drugs makes him an idiot, however copping lengthy bans for deliberate contact with match officials for 2 years in a row makes him unemployable if I were recruiting for Rovers. The bloke is an utter bumclart. I wouldn't pi$$ on him if he was on fire.

Article in Manchester news paper swapping Hock for Costigen

We have been burned repeatedly and recently. I'm not going to make a moral issue out of his drug ban, but he showed very bad judgement. He messed Wigan around, he messed Parramatta around and now, after getting chucked out of the England WC squad, he's messed Salford around. Extreme cases apart, everybody deserves a second chance, but there's a limit and I'm not keen to see Rovers added to the list of clubs Hocked about. The ref shoving, is the clincher. Without that, I'd maybe think a loan deal, with no fee and a return option, mightn't be so bad. But as it is, there's no point fretting over discipline if you're going to sign somebody notorious for lacking it.

Your post seems fair enough to me. I'm no apologist for Hock. I just think people over react with him. This is rugby league not university challenge after all. It's a game played by people who enjoy hitting people and who enjoy getting hit!

Hock is a bloody good player. If he comes I think you would love him warts and all.

My final words on the subject. I've outstayed my welcome.

You're more than welcome.

Hock has talent, and he's capable of doing stuff that'd rouse a crowd that have little enough to cheer of late. He just stuffs up way too often - unfortunately.

Wasn't ever happening .......

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Pet hate of mine.