I will dont worry about that, but does what players have achevied in their pasts suddenly disappear because a new season starts? I'd actually say that previous seasons performances often (not always) give a really good indication of what you can expect going forwards. Obviously something fundamentally went wrong with Thorman, because i dont remember him ever been that sh*t for Hudds.

Indeed time will tell. As ive said, i rate Clinton from what i've seen of him, i also listen to the fans who have been watching him more than me. Using that logic i also listen to Rovers fans who tell me that the likes of Scott Murrell have been pulling up trees although ive never seen it, i dont discount their opinions.

There's a fine line between obsessed and just been into my rugby!!

Ok mate... I know what you mean

He had a very good game against Melbourne in the play offs I don't know about the rest of the season although I believe he was injured for some time

physio???, hull obessed and past tenths...If your wondering what i mean, read this post back to yourself, you clearly know eff all!!!

Nearly gets us to the joke currently doing the rounds about three of Hulls current personel.

One arm, one eye and one @rse hole

??? do tell all

you must be one of the chimps who has plagued this forum through the festive period, i do not have the time to read 14 pages of drivvel to pick out a dozen constuctive posts worth reading. to busy

nah not me, not been on the forum much over chrimbo...but you must be drinking a bit too much because your post regarding berro, longy and o'meley clearly shows your pi@@ed!!!

which part of that post was untrue?

o'meleys knee injury, back full training after an operation which most rugby players get every year...berro under acheiving for the last 2 seasons, 1st seson player of the year, playing in a challenge cup final, playing in a s@it under achieving/injury ravaged side with injuries to himself. berro in his 2nd season played out of posistion for 60% of the season giving his all with a lot of deadwood around him. now onto longy, you clearly dont know what your talking about, yes he's gambled against his own team, boozed and battled in his time, all past tenths, but he's a family man with 3 kids who's matured a lot and moved across the country to play rugby in a different city with new taem mates... Dare i start on honours, cups and international caps between them???

most players do not have knee surgery every year! berrigan has underachieved and slotted in well with the rest of the poo. long only came because saints only offered a one year deal, fact. how many honours do you honestly belive they will win with hull? i reckon its a retirement party, let the good times keep rolling.