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Quote: Wildmoose "Caught the local news bulletin last night (sorry, can’t remember if it was Look North or Calendar). The report on there said the accounts show a deficit of £1.5m That's the net position. Total debt is £3.2m but assets on the balance sheet offset a proportion of that figure and you end up with a net position of being £1.5m in the red.

Plus the losses for 2009 of course.

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Quote: Big Dave T "If the directors call in their debts rovers will be up the swanny with another cva etc etc.

Blind faith again in the people that have left you in this mess in the first place.'"


Isn't that true for a lot of Rugby League clubs including Hull .

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Quote: cofr_rockin_robin "Isn't that true for a lot of Rugby League clubs including Hull .'"


I guess so for some clubs yeah, most aren't reliant on individual backers though. With FC operating at a profit if our directors did ask for their loans back we'd be able to cover it. Your'e right though, most other clusb couldnt.

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Quote: percy la blanc "the 3mil debt is a load of tosh watch this space..............the legal war begins'"


morning Mr Hudgell

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Quote: Lee Tucker FC Fan 2006 "morning Mr Hudgell'"


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Quote: Kosh "That's the net position. Total debt is £3.2m but assets on the balance sheet offset a proportion of that figure and you end up with a net position of being £1.5m in the red.

Plus the losses for 2009 of course.'"


Ahh, now that makes sense. So how misleading is the “ROBINS £3M IN THE RED” headline!

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Quote: Wildmoose "Ahh, now that makes sense. So how misleading is the “ROBINS £3M IN THE RED” headline!'"



You're in the red by how much you owe, not netting it off against assets.

If my bank account is 5 grand in the red it matters not a jot that my house is worth 400 grand

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Quote: Kosh "That's the net position. Total debt is £3.2m but assets on the balance sheet offset a proportion of that figure and you end up with a net position of being £1.5m in the red.

Plus the losses for 2009 of course.'"
so if we put player valuation on balance sheet the net will be lower ?

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Quote: hkrovers "so if we put player valuation on balance sheet the net will be lower ?'"


Mrs B is so going to rip you a new one

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Quote: Wildmoose "Ahh, now that makes sense. So how misleading is the “ROBINS £3M IN THE RED” headline!'"

When FC owed £2.4m in 2004, you didn't hear any bleating about the net liabilities number being £600k, did you? What a laugh! icon_lol.gif

Seriously, if FC directors then, or KR's directors now, wanted their cash back tomorrow, there would be no club. Fortunately for Rovers Hudgell has said that the directors have "underwritten" the financial position, which presumably means that in the event of them wanting out they'd just waive the loans. And fortunately for FC we've got a sustainable business model that's reduced the debt number each year so our reliance on directors is reducing. Everybody wins. icon_wink.gif

I can feel the Christmas spirit wearing off a bit now, mind. icon_wink.gif

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But is the £2.2 million owed in the next 12 months owed just to the 'directors' or is it to other people. Surely if it's mainly owed to others that's even more loss to the directors?

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Quote: World of Redboy "But is the £2.2 million owed in the next 12 months owed just to the 'directors' or is it to other people. Surely if it's mainly owed to others that's even more loss to the directors?'"

No way of telling. Although it does say that there is £364,000 of the creditors for which security has been given. I think you could guess that there aren't many banks that would loan hundreds of thousands without security in which case you'd imagine most would be owed to directors, plus usual trading creditors, accruals, HMRC etc.

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Quote: World of Redboy "But is the £2.2 million owed in the next 12 months owed just to the 'directors' or is it to other people. Surely if it's mainly owed to others that's even more loss to the directors?'"


The "within 12 months" figure merely relates to any debt which isn't structured over a longer period. I presume any director's loand are repayable on demand. Does anyone know if interest is being paid on the director's loans?

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Quote: Wildmoose "Ahh, now that makes sense. So how misleading is the “ROBINS £3M IN THE RED” headline!'"

It's entirely factual. Total liabilities are a shade over £3m - this money is still owed regardless of how much is balanced out by assets. That would only make a difference if those assets were converted to cash and used to pay off the debt.

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Quote: Kosh "It's entirely factual. Total liabilities are a shade over £3m - this money is still owed regardless of how much is balanced out by assets. That would only make a difference if those assets were converted to cash and used to pay off the debt.'"


As I've said before the only people that seem to 'stress' about Rovers accounts are FC fans!
If we go tits up then so be it but we've had fun on the way.
Perhaps it is the fun that we have had in the recent derbys that have hurt many FC fans more than we know!

Maybe having a 1.6 million bail out package was the good business start FC needed as apposed to the CVA Rovers had.

Does anyone know if the Rugby League still own shares at Hull?

Roll on the season when FC fans can focus on pitch-side matters! icon_cool.gif

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