I hope you didnt spend too long on that Nick.

Sounds great in theory but the players need to earn a living and you will struggle to recruit top players using that method. Players wont sign a contract for say 50k with the chance of a 50k bonus, they will just sign for the club that offers 80k with smaller bonuses.

I know it can not be done but years ago rovers players were on a win bonus that rolled over every game they won we once went 24 games unbeaten my daughter who went with us said don't they ever lose dad i said i hope not at the time we had players like Casey promey broadhurst g smith m smith happy days bring it back please

I certainly spent too long on my reply!

So no win, no fee's in effect

I get where he's coming from though, players at most clubs go through I comfort zone because they know they will get their wage no matter how they perform. As for they need to earn a living, all clubs have 25 players earning a minimum of £2,000 a month thats enough of a living for most people.

They're also on 2 year contracts so if they fail to perform they will be either out of work or lower paid for their next contract.

These players lose the ability to earn at 34 (earlier if they're unlucky) so gauging the wage against a 'normal' job isn't realistic. Its all about strength of managment, its the coaches job to ensure these players perform.

The salary cap issue isn't as hard as you would think. You calculate it on the maximum a player can earn. The fact the players performance is done indevidually along with how hard he works at training...etc means he could still earn a hefty amount.

The injury issue too would be dependant on your past performances in training, games and in general. You wouldn't get your full bonuses but you would still earn more than you would if you were playing and not doing great.

All players would get enough to live and more, the younger players would even earn better money than they would now. The ability for all players to earn more should encourage them to try harder.

It is quite evident at the moment our players are not focussed enough on playing for pride, passion or even for each other so if we took away the one thing that makes them tick maybe they would pull their fingers out.

I take it from this response that your all quite happy to be paying these players with your hard earned cash (that you have to work tirelessly for) to just put out average performances yet still be earning probably 5 times your salary? At least we'd know the players that were here wanted to play well all the time and not just when they could be bothered.

I agree with you nick I think in the 80's when the players played to earn an honest wage by playing with they're hearts we saw much more dedication from a team, what I cant understand is if the player isn't playing well surely they would know how hard it would be to get ie another contract or even another club look at Cooki for example still prob had a lot going for him and no club forth coming for him, I would drop the pay and pay it on bonuses a game and I think it would work.

Huddersfield have the biggest squad in SL. The crowds they get are not the biggest by a long way. Some of thier players will be on big money. So how are they able to keep all thier players happy. Maybe it's the pay structure that needs looking at closely.

I guess the only argument with only having bonuses would be that we'd be supporting Doncaster.

Professional players do need to earn a good wage, they have a short career and need to earn as much as they can as quick as they can but as you say if they are on a good wage they should be worried about not getting another contract. Just seems some clubs are able to motivate players by other means while our coach can't and I don't see another factor that the players care about.

Maybe we should steal their kids before every match and threaten to put them on a well known auction site if they lose!!!! Those without kids we shall sell their XBox or PS3!!!!!

Seriously though we need some way of motivating them I just wish there was a viable way of doing it so we got the best product every week instead of just when it seems they can be bothered.

The idea is great Nick but unfortunately it wont work with players now a days. Before the so called free transfer system came in most players were not full time and played to make there standard of living much better, almost doubling there take home pay especially if they won.now players are full time and especially the overseas player he can earn your £70k in signing on fees and match payments,not many clubs in Oz play winning bonuses they get apeareance money for 1st team games win or lose, the thing in Ox is if you dont play well there you are out on your ear,and someone else takes your place,you then playe in the lower grades for a lower appearance payment.You then have to earn your place back in the team not rely on a coach liking you,or being one of his favourites. Th Ozzie atitued is what difference will money make to you by giving you extra to win, if you are not trying your best and not giving 100% you should not be in the team.

They're subsidised by a bloke called Ken Davy, iirc. Similar to how our board keeps our heads above the water - see also Quins, St. Helens and probably a few more.

Right, I'm about to go on a rant - it isn't going to be pretty and if you're a big admirer of bulldog spirit, I wouldn't waste your time.

Okay, it's a pretty simple concept that, over a reasonable timescale, level of sporting success will reflect effort and ability. Yet there seems to be a view widespread in this country that the latter is almost irrelevant - that any obstacle can be overcome by having a shouty captain 'inspiring' the lads to get stuck in by clapping vigourously and, erm... shouting. John Terry can yell himself ho, but the problem for England's 'overpaid primadonna footballers', is not that they aren't trying as hard as their similarly remunerated Spanish (for example) counterparts - it is a difference in technical ability. Improving skill-sets and tactical awareness doesn't make for a great rallying call, but that is the difference between triers and winners.
Rovers' players don't need a boot up the backside - if only it were that simple! Nor do we need a unique pay structure. We need to be cleverer and more competent.

I would agree with much of that. What i would say though is that i think that Justin Morgan attempts to be too clever and too tactically aware. Everything we do is too structured in my opinion and every tackle of every set of 6 seems to be pre-determined. I realise we have to work to a basic structure so that we have something to fall back on if we are under pressure but what i really want to see is Dobson and Green given the freedom to express themselves with the ball.
I think we would see greater results in that than taking money off a players basic wage.