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| Quote: *1865* "Do you not have an opinion on the thought that a successful business man who's been in the game for a long time has allowed people to take the pi$$ out of him? Tad naive if so, don't you think?'"
Of course I have an opinion. He saw what was going on and put limited faith in his coach to address it. As it became clear that Sandercock didn't have the man-management skills to deal with the issue, he took action. How that reconciles with your version of "taking the out of him" only you know, but it's how I have seen it unfold over the summer. As someone who deals with difficult people problems on a daily basis, and has to negotiate the employment law minefield, I know that things always look easier to fix from a distance. |
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Quote: *1865* "Having his yearly 'it's all the players faults and I'm with the fans' rant is he?'"
You're having a go at somebody for pushing a predictable agenda [iannually[/i? www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Analysis ... story.html
There'll be fall-outs from time to time. I have sympathy for Gleeson's situation, but my sympathy for him as a bloke is diminishing. I daresay he'll get over that, but still.
Anyhow, the q&a. Interesting to hear Hudgell's thoughts, even if it just mostly confirmed what most had thought. The bit about CS playing up our relative poverty is interesting to me, because I did notice that he and NH put very different spins on that stuff. In fairness to CS, NH does say that we're of a similar size to Cas and Widnes, and I suspect CS meant we don't have the resource of, say, Leeds and Wigan. But, it certainly wasn't the most inspiring rallying cry, as NH points out. |
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Quote: *1865* "Having his yearly 'it's all the players faults and I'm with the fans' rant is he?'"
You're having a go at somebody for pushing a predictable agenda [iannually[/i? www.hulldailymail.co.uk/Analysis ... story.html
There'll be fall-outs from time to time. I have sympathy for Gleeson's situation, but my sympathy for him as a bloke is diminishing. I daresay he'll get over that, but still.
Anyhow, the q&a. Interesting to hear Hudgell's thoughts, even if it just mostly confirmed what most had thought. The bit about CS playing up our relative poverty is interesting to me, because I did notice that he and NH put very different spins on that stuff. In fairness to CS, NH does say that we're of a similar size to Cas and Widnes, and I suspect CS meant we don't have the resource of, say, Leeds and Wigan. But, it certainly wasn't the most inspiring rallying cry, as NH points out. | |
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| Quote: SirStan "Of course I have an opinion. He saw what was going on and put limited faith in his coach to address it. As it became clear that Sandercock didn't have the man-management skills to deal with the issue, he took action. How that reconciles with your version of "taking the mickey out of him" only you know, but it's how I have seen it unfold over the summer. As someone who deals with difficult people problems on a daily basis, and has to negotiate the employment law minefield, I know that things always look easier to fix from a distance.'"
Happened four years on the bounce that he's bemoaned player attitudes and asked for them to have the same 'passion' as the fans. 3 years under Sandy too, shocking that it took him that long to act on the shortcomings of Craig others had spotted 18 months earlier. |
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| Quote: Mild Rover "You're having a go at somebody for pushing a predictable agenda [iannually[/i? ![]()
Not sure bringing Hull FC into this is relevant, especially as i've not once mentioned we are in any way innocent of such things.
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| Quote: *1865* "Happened four years on the bounce that he's bemoaned player attitudes and asked for them to have the same 'passion' as the fans. 3 years under Sandy too, shocking that it took him that long to act on the shortcomings of Craig others had spotted 18 months earlier.'"
One man's "shocking" is another man's "supportive". Other than the obvious answer, why the huge interest? |
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| Quote: *1865* "Not sure bringing Hull FC into this is relevant, especially as i've not once mentioned we are in any way innocent of such things.'"
Fair point - first rule of rhetoric is that it easier to attack than defend.
I guess you already knew that though.  |
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| Quote: SirStan "Galea lied to the Rovers fans, thus ruining many of their fond memories he could have left behind, therefore he got his desserts.
Horse. Hudgell has virtually single-handedly kept our club afloat. FC fans hatred of him clouds any comment on his stewardship of Rovers.'"
Single hand-edly ? Rob Crossland given any credit ? |
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| Quote: Legends and Icons "Single hand-edly ? Rob Crossland given any credit ?'"
You got your hyphen in he wrong place.
Crossland was a relative latecomer but point taken |
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| Quote: SirStan "You got your hyphen in he wrong place.
Crossland was a relative latecomer but point taken'"
What's a hyphen between friends Stan  . |
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| Quote: SirStan "One man's "shocking" is another man's "supportive". Other than the obvious answer, why the huge interest?'"
I find it amusing that someone can be so immune from even polite criticism. I reckon if some of you caught him in bed with your wives, you'd polish his shoes while you waited for him to finish. |
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Hudgell has made some appointments that with hindsight have been poor.
On balance as far as the Hull Kingston Rovers club is concerned he rescued us from at worst, death and at best, at the time, perpetual lower league survival.
2006 and 2007 where massive for us, and most of that is down to Hudgell.
If we hadn't got up and stayed up I don't think we'd have done it for another generation at least, if ever.
See Huddersfield for how it is to be a club that loses two or three generations of fans.
We were nearly dead, Hudgell saved us.
Forgive me and all other Rovers fans for holding him in high regard.
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| Quote: *1865* "I find it amusing that someone can be so immune from even polite criticism. I reckon if some of you caught him in bed with your wives, you'd polish his shoes while you waited for him to finish.'"
I find it amusing that you have spent the day telling us how were all obsessed with hudgell while obsessing about him yourself |
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| Quote: *1865* "I find it amusing that someone can be so immune from even polite criticism. I reckon if some of you caught him in bed with your wives, you'd polish his shoes while you waited for him to finish.'"
Well no, but you understand that he's held in high esteem by (most) Rovers fans and why though, surely? He's not infallible, but he's brought us to a point that we're properly down in the mouth about being 9th in SL. Yeah, there's an element of propaganda to these things (the q&a) but all clubs do it, and with good reason.
I'm sure fans of other clubs would bristle at criticism of their well-regarded figures from fans of their rivals. I have seen it happen in fact! |
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| Quote: fun time frankie "I find it amusing that you have spent the day telling us how were all obsessed with hudgell while obsessing about him yourself ![]()
When did I say you were obsessed? See, there you go just making shizzle up again.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Well no, but you understand that he's held in high esteem by (most) Rovers fans and why though, surely? He's not infallible, but he's brought us to a point that we're properly down in the mouth about being 9th in SL. Yeah, there's an element of propaganda to these things (the q&a) but all clubs do it, and with good reason.
I'm sure fans of other clubs would bristle at criticism of their well-regarded figures from fans of their rivals. I have seen it happen in fact!'"
I am in no doubt as to why you hold him in such high regard, my point is that it is exactly that which clouds fans opinions of the things he says and does. |
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