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| We are not that good (and I hope not that disrespectful) that we can afford to rest players in a cup tie at Bratfut.
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| Quote: little coatsy 112 "I think he's just saying to just save the EGP for the future incase he gets another ban later in the year, if his injury is a 2+ week injury of course'"
I think that's the point that was addressed. An EGP is available only when your record is clean. As soon as you get a ban, the option to use it is gone. It can't be saved for later, if you pick up a ban now.
The only way to retain it is to plead not guilty and 'win'. Then your record stays clean.
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| Quote: SirStan "We are not that good (and I hope not that disrespectful) that we can afford to rest players in a cup tie at Bratfut.'"
We shouldn't be resting anyone in the challenge cup. We should be going all out to win it.
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| Seeing as it's grade B and with all the Sky angles to back that up, you can't imagine he has any chance of getting away with it. So may as well cash the EGP card now before it's gone.
I also see he was cited vs Saints for lifting too. Not sure if that's taken into account but his technique maybe a problem when we're on tv. In real time you'd say he's ok and he's just going in low. But, replays show lifting without doing enough to ensure player lands safe enough. All a bit BS but that's the state of the game and disciplinary I guess.
Allgood, I hope it goes his way, but again, trial by replay and Michaels' reaction. Looked little in it for me.
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| Quote: ☺East-Sard☺ "Seeing as it's grade B and with all the Sky angles to back that up, you can't imagine he has any chance of getting away with it. So may as well cash the EGP card now before it's gone.
I also see he was cited vs Saints for lifting too. Not sure if that's taken into account but his technique maybe a problem when we're on tv. In real time you'd say he's ok and he's just going in low. But, replays show lifting without doing enough to ensure player lands safe enough. All a bit BS but that's the state of the game and disciplinary I guess.
Allgood, I hope it goes his way, but again, trial by replay and Michaels' reaction. Looked little in it for me.'"
The game is played in real time, split second decisions. Unfortunately it's then taken apart by slow motion, multi-angled cameras to punish players. A bit unfair unless its a cynical foul, done on purpose.
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| Not entirely sure how the EGP lasts but surely, if reports are correct and Blair has a groin injury, it will be a waste of time taking the EGP because those sort of injuries will take longer than two weeks. May as well keep it in his locker in case he needs it later in the season.
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| Quote: Structured "Not entirely sure how the EGP lasts but surely, if reports are correct and Blair has a groin injury, it will be a waste of time taking the EGP because those sort of injuries will take longer than two weeks. May as well keep it in his locker in case he needs it later in the season.'"
He can't use it later in the season if he cops a ban. You can only use it if you have been squeaky clean for 1 year so even if he doesn't use it, he can't then use it for another year provided he stays out of trouble for that year.
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "He can't use it later in the season if he cops a ban. You can only use it if you have been squeaky clean for 1 year so even if he doesn't use it, he can't then use it for another year provided he stays out of trouble for that year.'"
Aye - maybe it is worth people thinking of it in terms of 'previous good character' in a trial.
Imagine Barrington Fishface gets caught red-handed shoplifting in WHSmiths. He's clearly guilty, and that is his plea. But by admitting his guilt and pointing out he has, to this point, had a clean record, he hopes that the judge will be lenient in sentencing.
There's no point him saving his 'previous good character' for the next time he gets caught thieving, when he already has this conviction.
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| Barrington Fishface is innocent!!!!
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| Quote: Mild Rover "Aye - maybe it is worth people thinking of it in terms of 'previous good character' in a trial.
Imagine Barrington Fishface gets caught red-handed shoplifting in WHSmiths. He's clearly guilty, and that is his plea. But by admitting his guilt and pointing out he has, to this point, had a clean record, he hopes that the judge will be lenient in sentencing.
There's no point him saving his 'previous good character' for the next time he gets caught thieving, when he already has this conviction.'"
Bloody hell do you know barrington fishface i thought he was dead
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| On the Allgood charge I think Donaldson coming in to complete the tackle and dropping onto Allgoods back may have put the extra pressure on Michaels neck
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| Quote: LifeLongHKRFan "He can't use it later in the season if he cops a ban. You can only use it if you have been squeaky clean for 1 year so even if he doesn't use it, he can't then use it for another year provided he stays out of trouble for that year.'"
Which is exactly why I'd contest it. Don't want to regret having used the EGP later in the season, even more so if there's a chance Blair may miss these games through injury. The charge even mentions 'other tackler's actions were part of the problem'.
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| Quote: sandy "It doesn't work like that unfortunately, the early guilty plea is a one time deal for the year you can't store them up, whether you take it or not once you receive a ban you ve got to do a full year clean before you earn another EGP'"
That's not entirely true either, because that would mean that if you felt that the RFL had it wrong and you wanted to contest it you would be forced to use your EGP, meaning pleading guilty to something you haven't done, that would put them in breach of Natural justice although I believe the terminology has changed, it falls under the right to a fair hearing which pleading guilty when there is a belief of innocence is a good example of this.
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| This was from the RFL site (for Blair):
Early Guilty Plea offered and accepted. 1 match suspension.
He has used his EGP and will be out of the Cas game, which by all accounts he was going to miss with a groin injury anyway. Shame about him not being available though as he had been excellent in this little mini-run we have been on.
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| Quote: RoverAndOut "This was from the RFL site (for Blair)
Allgood nfa.
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