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Quote: Beverley red "Is it just me or are others wondering why Liam Salter is not mentioned? one of our most consistant players last year. He did nothing wrong & improved game on game. In my team he would be in ahead of Gleeson.'"


I think you can certainly make a case for him, he looked pretty good defensively I felt, but needs to improve his lines in attack and his service to his winger.

Depending on what goes on in pre season he could and should be putting pressure on both Welham and Salter.

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Quote: Beverley red "Is it just me or are others wondering why Liam Salter is not mentioned? one of our most consistant players last year. He did nothing wrong & improved game on game. In my team he would be in ahead of Gleeson.'"


Could,nt agree more. Pretty much go with the general opinion of the teams selected, but in my opinion Liam Salter has better defence than any of the selected first five. Obviously he wont get a go at fullback, and both welham and gleeson are defensively suspect. If his attacking flair can, or has been improved i would have him in front of them both.

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1. Eden

2. Cockayne
3. Salter
4. Welham
5. Hodgson

6. Burns
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9. Hodgson
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11. Cox
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1. Eden
2. Cockayne
3. Gleeson
4. Welham
5. Hodgson
6. Burns
7. Keating
8. A. Walker
9. Hodgson
10. Poore
11. Larroyer
12. Costigan
13. Langley

14. Carlile
15. Cox
16. Weyman
17. J. Walker

I prefer to see two props on the bench so favour J. Walker for the last spot over Lovegrove who I still think is an important member of the squad but should only be seen at second row. I'm hoping we have a lot more to see from Gleeson and a pre-season plus few games under the belt should show us why he was signed. Larroyer had a bit of a bouncy chest in the world cup but I reckon could be one of our best signings. We have plenty in the squad behind this lot who can do more than just fill in which is a first since we entered SL. Really looking forward to this season and expect us to win everything going. If we are anything less than stunning in our first game i'll be calling for Sandercock's head.

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Quote: Broadhurst's Fist "1. Eden
2. Cockayne
3. Gleeson
4. Welham
5. Hodgson
6. Burns
7. Keating
8. A. Walker
9. Hodgson
10. Poore
11. Larroyer
12. Costigan
13. Langley

14. Carlile
15. Cox
16. Weyman
17. J. Walker

I prefer to see two props on the bench so favour J. Walker for the last spot over Lovegrove who I still think is an important member of the squad but should only be seen at second row. I'm hoping we have a lot more to see from Gleeson and a pre-season plus few games under the belt should show us why he was signed. Larroyer had a bit of a bouncy chest in the world cup but I reckon could be one of our best signings. We have plenty in the squad behind this lot who can do more than just fill in which is a first since we entered SL. Really looking forward to this season and expect us to win everything going. If we are anything less than stunning in our first game i'll be calling for Sandercock's head.'"


I agree with all of that. Well maybe not the winning everything bit! icon_smile.gif
There are a few either/ors, with Horne, Salter and Hall going close, in addition to those you mention. The idea of using Costigan to briefly spell J. Hodgson, getting another big forward on the bench, could work well also. Really grind the opposition down, hopefully.

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It really won't, if I see Costigan going anywhere near dummy half The Sniper Skein will swing into immediate and devastating action.

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Quote: Sandra The Terrorist "It really won't, if I see Costigan going anywhere near dummy half The Sniper Skein will swing into immediate and devastating action.'"


Yeah, I'd go with something similar to BF's team above, because I'd rather have a 'real' hooker on the bench and be using Costigan in his best position. But the pay-off of being able to include 2 of Cox/Horne/Lovegrove on the bench wouldn't be insignificant. Especially early in the season, on heavy grounds.
Depends how many top quality minutes Hodgson can do at 9 and how Carlile is developing.

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Is it worth having the extra hooker if he is only going to spell for 10/15 mins, Hodgson is capable of playing big mins.

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Quote: SirStan "If our sole intension was to improve defence why didn't we go and get another centre to replace Welham?'"

Don't think it was our sole intention but our main intention.

Maybe the coaching staff think Welham won't be as exposed this season because he'll have a half-back and a second-rower inside him who can actually defend?

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Quote: General Zod. "Don't think it was our sole intention but our main intention.

Maybe the coaching staff think Welham won't be as exposed this season because he'll have a half-back and a second-rower inside him who can actually defend?'"


Hmmmm. We'll see. I'm yet to be convinced he will ever become a proficient defender. As he turns 27 next season, if he doesn't manage it now he never will. Big season for him.

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surely your picking the team on last years form how do you know who will be injured in warm up games, who will play with knocks etc. sean gleeson is in most peoples team yet we now know he wont start against leeds. kostigan,wheyman,keeting,maki,laroyye we dont know how quickly they will adapt to uk conditions

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Quote: BIG HOWARD "surely your picking the team on last years form how do you know who will be injured in warm up games, who will play with knocks etc. sean gleeson is in most peoples team yet we now know he wont start against leeds. kostigan,wheyman,keeting,maki,laroyye we dont know how quickly they will adapt to uk conditions'"


Not forgetting the injured players in edan, berns and horn

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Quote: MrPhilb "Not forgetting the injured players in edan, berns and horn'"

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1. Eden

2. Cockayne
3. Welham
4. Salter
5. Hall

6. Burns
7. Keating

8. Poore
9. Hodgson
10. A. Walker

11. Larroyer
12. Costigan
13. Langley

14. Carlile
15. Lovegrove
16. Weyman
17. J Walker

Lovegrove makes it for me due to his versatility, if we were to take an injury in the backs, Lovegrove provides an option off the bench.

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Quote: EL CAMO "

1. Eden

2. Cockayne
3. Welham
4. Salter
5. Hall

6. Burns
7. Keating

8. Poore
9. Hodgson
10. A. Walker

11. Larroyer
12. Costigan
13. Langley

14. Carlile
15. Lovegrove
16. Weyman
17. J Walker

Lovegrove makes it for me due to his versatility, if we were to take an injury in the backs, Lovegrove provides an option off the bench.'"


Putting aside 'your' first XIII and 'my' first XIII, I think the announced squad numbers give more than a clue as to who are first choices in the unlikely event of that luxury ever becoming available.

D. Hodgson gets his share of injuries, Hall gets his share of injuries...so in the course of time the relevance of who is first choice will give way to the pressing need of who is available. At any given time it's just as likely neither will be fit as both. For now it's clearly Hodgson.

Larroyer vs Cox is an interesting one. The Frenchman has far less SL experience than Cox despite being 3 years older. Larroyer has scored 10 tries in 23 Super League games which is impressive for a second row man maybe that is what gives him the nod. But Cox used to score 4 tries a game at academy level..........2014 has the signs of being his breakthrough year and unlike Larroyer he is not contracted to another club for 2015.

Lovegrove........rightly or wrongly well down the pecking order in the fantasy of a fully fit Craig Sandercock squad. A Wakefield player tomorrow if they could stump up for his wages......Craig Hall too.

Whatever, happy new year to all Rovers well wishers and thank you to the moderators who provide this platform for us to express our opinions.

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