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| Since the franchising system and the need for academy structures to meet criteria, which is what I was talking about, where did it get Hull, below Rovers?
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| Quote: *1865* "It's disgusting that a club who has now had 8 years in SL and the revenue streams that brings, can only boast one academy product in their 17. Only 8 of them are British too!
It's 'short termism' and goes against the rhetoric of your chairman a few years back of having East Hull lads at the core of the team. I'm not sure it sends the right message to the talented few lads you have coming through.'"
It terms of the effectiveness of the strategy, 'failure' brings its own punishment. Disgusting seems to imply some sort moral aspect beyond that, which I don't see. Licensing attempted to offer security in return for meeting centrally planned targets and obligations. It wasn't run equitably though, so now we're back to a cleaner, simpler (if more brutal) environment, with straightforward incentives . If a club is profligate, the punishment is going bust. If their facilities are poor, they'll generate less revenue. If they don't produce good players they've got one less pool of talent to draw on.
Warnings are legitimate, and like a number of clubs we have some issues to deal with. Censure, on the other hand... Nah. Dog eat dog, but at least we know where we stand now.
The rhetoric or mood music or whatever that we had around the start of the Sandercock era has changed. Hopefully the club learned from all that. I'd rather they adapted than stuck rigidly to something that wasn't working.
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| Quote: *1865* "Doubtful, given the comparative histories of the two teams over the last 10-15 years.'"
Its been three days now WHY ARE YOU SO BOTHERED ABOUT WHAT WE DO as ive said before your coming across very Royston Vasey
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| Quote: *1865* "
Thing is Stan, not once have I said your team or squad is bad, but I think it will be a struggle for you to bed in 13 new signings and the team will lack identity, compounded by the fact your two halves will only have 3-5 weeks training with the squad.'"
I think those are good points and Stan drawing a parallel with 2008 is too. My worry is that Morgan had more capital then than Chester does now and SL was moving from 12 to 14, whereas this time it is the other way, with fewer 'should win' games. We are going to have to be patient, because tearing it all up and starting again for 2016 would be stupid IMO. We have to develop the identity you mention and that will take time. It was something we lacked in recent seasons, in part because of the chopping and changing. Sandercock's recruitment and retention was a major cause of that. Where I'm led to believe he might have a meaningful legacy is in helping to improve our youth system.
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| Nice avatars #1865#!
Is he an Hull academy graduate?
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| ffs roll on the new season
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| ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ This x 1000
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| Quote: Burtons Forearm "Nice avatars #1865#!
Is he an Hull academy graduate?'"
Joe was part of the Hull academy set up until he was 16 IIRC, so he's half ours half Castleford. HTH.
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| Eh?
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| Blair can play in the halfs too. Like i said until we actually see all these new players play its just a guessing game. And 1 academy product or 13 it doesnt matter. You are not goin to play some one if they are not ready just for the sake of it. Im sure plenty of our young players will get a chance and if they perform it will be their shirt to lose from then on. You are spouting your mouth off about how little game time our academy graduates will get before a ball has been kicked, maybe you should just wait and see....
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| Quote: *1865* "Joe was part of the Hull academy set up until he was 16 IIRC, so he's half ours half Castleford. HTH.'"
No he's not
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| If he was at Hull until 16 then he was never in the academy, he was on the scholarship scheme. If you are counting pre 16 then a few of the Hull academy would count as products of our academy and vice versa.
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| Apart from injuries, can't see Welham making the squad now. Can't say I'm upset about that, should have sold him close season as well.
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| Quote: *1865* "It's disgusting that a club who has now had 8 years in SL and the revenue streams that brings, can only boast one academy product in their 17. Only 8 of them are British too!
It's 'short termism' and goes against the rhetoric of your chairman a few years back of having East Hull lads at the core of the team. I'm not sure it sends the right message to the talented few lads you have coming through.'"
Just to put a realistic slant on this, exactly how many of your academy will be in your starting 17.
Working on the 8 imports being in there (or why sign them) then add in the captain, the two new half backs and your only England player who again I assume will start if fit, Watts will likely be pretty nailed on if he’s fit too . So hardly a glowing report from the league’s leading light in youth development is it. Now for me what would be gut wrenchingly, vomit inducingly disgusting would be if we threw the previous year’s dream team player and young player of the year into the gutter after a couple of bad performances, now that's short termism.
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| Quote: Gallanteer "Apart from injuries, can't see Welham making the squad now. Can't say I'm upset about that, should have sold him close season as well.'"
You can only sell what someone is willing to buy.
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