Celtic?

They're on the rise!

I think Rovers will be in the top 4 come the end of the season, they've got a good balance to the squad and have a lot of consistent performers (Newton, Briscoe, Galea) and a few game breakers (Dobson, Cooke, Fox, Webster) which, in this season of very tight games, is one of the big reasons why they're winning.

Position for position we are almost up there with the traditional top 3. People like Briscoe, Fox, Webster, Dobson, Cooke, Vella, Fozzard, Galea, Newton and even Murrell are as equal or almost equal to the likes of say Wellens, Gardner, Gidley (ok he is a class above), Long, Pryce, Graham, Fa'asavalu, Wilkin...etc

I think the one area that we lack is our offloading game and at hooker. Now I am not dissing Fisher or Fitzhenry they are doing a grand job out there however you wouldnt find Saints replacing Cunningham or Roby with one of those two and Leeds wouldnt be taking them on in place of Buderus or Diskin IMO.

Haha steady, don't get too far a head of your selves. Webster as good as Gidley? Cooke as good as Pryce? Fozzard V Graham/Fa'asavalu? Murrell is no where near as good as Wilkin for me.

I agree about Hooker though, think this is your weakest point atm. I'd say that most teams have a better hooker then Fisher.

We can get our first choice hooker on the pitch though.

I stated Gidley was a class above but Webster is still a NZ international and as good as Gidley's feet are its nothing to the power Webster has to barge through defences add to that his speed over 50yrds and he's a weapon most even Saints would relish in their nal.

Wasn't Fozzy a part of the 4 peice at Saints over the past few years? He had to be as good or there abouts to even be considered for selection. Add to Fozzy a Mick Vella and your looking at an awsome front row that hasn't even played alongside each for a full game yet!

Cooke on his day can be as creative and wise as any half back in the competition, Pryce has speed and elusive talents to his name but both players are different yet I'd say can be equally deadly in the middle.

Ok you rate Wilkin far ahead of Murrell, you've not seen too much the past year or two of Scotty then, he's like a man possessed and very rarely has an off day. His kicking game is better than Wilkins, his ball playing is as good if not better and with his extra weight he's put on I'd rate him pretty close to where Wilkin is.

The Rover players I mentioned I would suggest around 80% of other SL clubs wouldn't say no to having them as a part of their squads and would be regulars in their first teams.

First let me state that this is from the TV games and games Hull have had against both teams. I'm not going to claim I know more then you, just going on what I've seen.

Fozzard was but isn't anymore... Doesn't that tell you something, if he was as good as them they would have kept him because Hargreaves isn't exactly immense is he?

On his day yes but Pryce is a much better player then Cooke based on the fact he has done it week in week out whereas Cooke has done it very rarely.

I don't agree at all especially about the ball in hand bit. Murrell is very average from what I've seen.

The fact he seems to be playing regulary now maybe shows light at the end of the tunnel.

I don't think Agar would at all. I think Lee has played really well at hooker and Fisher for me wouldn't get into many other teams in the Super League as the first choice 9.