When we keep a side down to under 20 points I might allow myself a smile, until then its not big or clever.

You could be one miserable looking, sun of a gun for quite some time then.

The axe could be before that.
Lose the next 2 and I fail to see how/why you would wait.

Problem is even winning the next 2 will just paper over the cracks and we'll still get beaten by teams whi can play simple rugby and not make mistakes. Needs to go now imo.

In defence of our centre combos, I do sympathise a bit - given the fact at times I have little faith in our sliding/cover defence. It's worrying though, that this particular weakness is still being exposed going back to JM days. CS’ first policy was to spread our line, but we had so many weak links in it, it was just as bad. It’s fair to say he’s not found much of a plan b, yet.

Something what narked me from Friday, was just two little snippets from slack team defending. Bowen’s try … Burns puts up a speculative bomb, ends up on his backside from kick pressure. Bowen takes the ball, plenty of blue shirts in and around him. Not one of them was directly interested in the ball or Bowen and he gets away. Burns still on his backside, gets up too late and is easily outpaced. The other was the second Thornley try I believe. Think it was Costigan who was the guilty player. He was slow to fill in, and even when the danger was obvious he still never reacted. I think it was the ref cam that showed it clearly. I’d love to see us put the emphasis on mean defence like some teams and even take pride in defending our line. Right now, we look a million miles of being capable of that. How many times do we concede a penalty and a try follows?

We’ve had a tough start, no doubt about it and our points return isn’t a million miles from where most probably expected. Performances and team improvements have been lacking however. Obviously Bradford/Wakefield games are huge and will be a marker to where we’re at right now.

AARRGGHHH!! I really hate that. How come it's always in and around? Even when it makes absolutely no sense and only conjures up the most bizarre/obscene images.

They may aswell have been ankles deep, they were as useful as the excrement whose place they'd have taken.

Not from me bud, for the support both Hull teams get ,we deserve better. Be honest has any supporter from either club had a realistic hope we will win owt? Most of us go out of loyalty than hope.