they were all part time in 83 didn't make any difference then did it?

Wow, did you just refer to a game from 34 years ago to make a connection to a game played yesterday?

Doesn't change the fact that a team that train full-time should be beating a team of part-timers, who had to get up this morning to go to their day jobs.

Seen as all the teams you mention are full-time, that doesn't really apply to the point I'm making. If we'd have dropped points vs a part-time team, then yeh fair point.

Of course it applies your saying because we only got a draw against a part time team we'll struggle in the middle 8s I was pointing out we've already beaten a team that will be in the 8s and ran one that that won't be close so yesterday's result isn't a massive concern

All teams have off days, injuries and just don't click. We need to improve and close games will be more valuable than runaway routs to show us where we are.

Yes that was the league team..Not the middle 8's one..Sheens isn't doing what we did and that will cost you.

Agree 100%, ellis is no better than ordinary and feel either quinlan or moss would be well worth a shot in the halves alongside abdull if both were fit.

It is what it is.Can be spun either way depending on your agenda. Hard earned point away at top 4 rival from 16-0HT.Or Scraping a draw against welders and postmen,which I feel is conviently forgetting Fev are a tough well drilled outfit, especially at home. Look at Bradford last week, could and maybe should have won after 3 large defeats.Play well against us then get well beat again yesterday how can you legislate for that other than teams get up for a game against what they perceive as the big fish in a small pond? Much like a win at home against a decimated demoralised Wigan side with Bentham giving penalties out like curly wurlys in home teams favour. Or can be seen as great backs to wall victory with very young squad against current superleague and world champs? The truth is somewhere in the middle of those view points I'd say?

Think you need to worry more about your own club doing something similar THIS season otherwise you'll be falling through the trap door.

You may be correct? Carney aside if we were going to sign a top half and impact forward as reinforcements then I'd expect them here now.We have a solid hard working team but is that enough to displace yourselves or Vikings? As we approach middle 8s as a championship club this time it feels different as a fan.Nervy times ahead for both our teams

I've not had a curly wurley for years. Gonna have to go buy one tomorrow now thanks to you

Talanoa got a pocket full of them in the 1st half. Hope he shared them with his pals