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| Ok so they have a 5 year plan, what is it if they honestly believe that they will produce enough local lads to compete in the Superleague they are on cloud 9, for how many over the past say 10 years have they had make the grade , what is classed as making the grade?
Do they have to be internationals or just regular first teamers?
I have tried to come up with a list that both Hull Clubs have produced they are as follows
1 Shaul and he has just really started
2 Lynham but he was from York not Local,
3. Hall but not retained, Salter in and out, Welham not retained
4. Yearman International
5. No real contenders
6. Richard Horne now retired, Cook now retired, Abdul can't get in
7 none
8 Taylor, Wheeldon not retained by either club
9 Houghton
10 Green just really getting in at Rovers Bawden in and out at FC
11 Cox let go and was never regular first teamer
12 Graham Horne has been regular first teamer at all his clubs
13 No real contenders
I have struggled to come up with 13 names that you could say would be good enough to compete in the Superleague if they were all,together at one club
They are kidding themselves if Motu Toni had not been at Hull FC then they might have struggled this year for they have recruited well and I believe even after 2 games they could and should finish top 4 if not better.
Leeds is mentioned about having a good accadamy but they have hell of a catchment area to pick from Hull as an area does not. We do not produce enough good young players it's ok saying they do if they do why combine them, to save money, bull, That is why FC have started a reserve grade so why haven't Rovers a Pearson con trick in my mind for if any kid is going to make it before they are 19 they will go to FC for they will be able to play another 4 years with a better chance of actually learning from older team mates. Kids now a days do not serve an apprenticeship
I look forward to your response and if you can think of any others please add them to list
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| Quote: easthull4 "Ok so they have a 5 year plan, what is it if they honestly believe that they will produce enough local lads to compete in the Superleague they are on cloud 9, for how many over the past say 10 years have they had make the grade , what is classed as making the grade?
Do they have to be internationals or just regular first teamers?
I have tried to come up with a list that both Hull Clubs have produced they are as follows
1 Shaul and he has just really started
2 Lynham but he was from York not Local,
3. Hall but not retained, Salter in and out, Welham not retained - to be fair he had 10 years of first team
4. Yearman International
5. No real contenders Briscoe (like Lineham not from here but was in FC academy)
6. Richard Horne now retired, Cook now retired, Abdul can't get in
7 none
8 Taylor, Wheeldon not retained by either club
9 Houghton Hodgson, Tommy Lee, Washbrook
10 Green just really getting in at Rovers Bawden in and out at FC
11 Cox let go and was never regular first teamer
12 Graham Horne has been regular first teamer at all his clubs Mariano has played a lot of games
13 No real contenders
I have struggled to come up with 13 names that you could say would be good enough to compete in the Superleague if they were all,together at one club
They are kidding themselves if Motu Toni had not been at Hull FC then they might have struggled this year for they have recruited well and I believe even after 2 games they could and should finish top 4 if not better.
Leeds is mentioned about having a good accadamy but they have hell of a catchment area to pick from Hull as an area does not. We do not produce enough good young players it's ok saying they do if they do why combine them, to save money, bull, That is why FC have started a reserve grade so why haven't Rovers a Pearson con trick in my mind for if any kid is going to make it before they are 19 they will go to FC for they will be able to play another 4 years with a better chance of actually learning from older team mates. Kids now a days do not serve an apprenticeship
I look forward to your response and if you can think of any others please add them to list'"
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| Quote: barham red "'" ]
Thanks for additions forgot about those names
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| Quote: easthull4 "Thanks for additions forgot about those names'"
I forgot Wilkin as well, he's done alright for himself..
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| Quote: Jake the Peg "Amended for accuracy'"
Your doing rather well and look good. I hope you win every game up to the Easter Derby. You'll be odds on and the queue for the zeebrugge end will be back to the Humber bridge. But if we upset the odds and spring a surprise with the hotchpotch we have then by God prepare for an onslaught on your board. Peace out.
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| Quote: Mild Rover "As rallying calls go this is going to be pretty tepid. It's been a yucky start to the year for Rovers, with the injuries, uselessgormlessbiasedidiotdisciplinary-gate and what have you. Plus Hull look good, meaning that the usually hilarious swagger of some of their fans on here currently looks annoyingly justified.
But I think the tendency to put the worst possible spin on every aspect of... well, everything Rovers-related has gone a bit bonkers. I mean, I'm looking at the next few weeks with a bit of trepidation, but reading some stuff on here you'd think we were on the verge of relegation and collapse.
After a pretty much fairytale first five years in SL (driven by vanity according to Rob Crossland, but no less enjoyable for that), attempts to build better foundations during the next four don't really seem to have worked. Not all plans succeed. The turnover of players has been unhealthy and something went wrong with our local talent identification and/or development - for all that there might be fewer kids playing the game, Hull have produced a few who look SL standard. But you can learn from failed plans, and apparently we have a new one. Based on the assumption that Hudgell, Crossland, Smith, Peacock and Chester are merely fallible rather than grossly incompetent, here are some elements I think or hope the plan includes.
1. No more Wayne Ulugias. It didn't have to be Wayne, there have been a few, but as he was the final nail for Sandercock he'll do. People, myself included, have questioned why the squad is so skinny, and certainly you can over-do picky, but I think there is now a focus on getting the right type of people on board, and stopping the revolving door recruitment policy.
2. No more Tony Larvins. Hudgell and Crossland have more than done their bit already. Without them it likely would be relegation and collapse. I think this 5 year plan will aim to change that, so that there's a realistic chance that the next prospective owner might be somebody a bit more credible than Tony. A huge task, but also hugely important.
3. A few more Liam Salters. The importance of youth development to the success of the top teams is massively overstated IMO. To the point that some people seem to think that it is the sole factor that differentiates the best from the rest. That doesn't mean it isn't important though and it has been a problem for us. There's the potential that the City of Hull Academy could offer a better return on a smaller investment - if it is done right.'"
Inevitably the here and now will dominate discussion. The past to those who didn't experience it is a grainy newsreel. The future some modern day Sinclair CV5.
The past is nothing more than a few turns of the earths orbit the future a few turns more.
That's all we know. The rest is beyond human understanding..
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| Obviously can't talk about it on here yet but you'll have some good news about Adam Walker in the next few days so not all doom and gloom
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30596_1286642206.jpg If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
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| Quote: His Bobness "Inevitably the here and now will dominate discussion. The past to those who didn't experience it is a grainy newsreel. The future some modern day Sinclair CV5.
The past is nothing more than a few turns of the earths orbit the future a few turns more.
That's all we know. The rest is beyond human understanding..'"
What the fecking shizzle are you wittering on about now you massive rarsclaart?
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