As we lack size we need line speed & aggression. We have neither. Plus we seem to have abandoned marker defence completely.

6 tries to 2 is no worse than I expected. Just sums up where we are at the moment.

Don't judge Steve Mac by what happened at the Bulls. Never had a chance.

I don't think we lack size, not in the front row, but we do lack line speed and I agree with you all that our marker defense does is give away penalties. If we need a lesson on what a well coached marker defense does we only have to watch the Wembley video, Leeds were awesome.

We lack s#it houses. Teams must love playing us. Nothing to be scared of. Horne v Westwood is a f#cking mis match.

In fairness you don't have many coaches that have a 'decent' track record when getting a new job.

Wigan - Wane - First HC Job
St Helens - Cunningham - First HC Job
Hull FC - Radford - First HC Job
Huddersfield - Anderson - First HC Job
Catalans - Frayssinous - First HC Job
Widnes - Betts - First HC Job
Salford - Watson - First HC Job
Leeds - McDermott - Made the play-offs for Harlequins.

Disagree with this. His record in charge of our national side recently has been OK and he has left that job on a high. We were a Kevin Sinfield brain fart and just 37 seconds away from a World Cup final last time out and we beat the same opposition in the last test series. He was sounding more purposeful, mature and professional during his recent interviews too.

However, when one of the NRL's best ever coaches comes knocking to declare his interest, the RFL would have been daft to spurn that opportunity.

Mcnamara for Rovers if available

Personally I would like to see Kear because he has had an immediate impact wherever he has gone, failing that Goef Toovey is available.

What's all this about defensive structures all load of crap
If you don't move up in a line as we found loads of time with Welham when shot line leaving a gap an under 8 could have spotted you have no chance
Never let a man get outside you especially wingers how many times do we see our wingers 10 yards in from the side line and the opposition get round them,if you stand on your line he has to come in and the cover takes his centre or who ever is there.
This structure so called defensive systems are a load of sxxxe take your man half the players can't think for themselves, too much crap in there heads don't go there you must be here rubbish take your man that's your job balls to anyone else if I do my job and everyone does there's the defence will work

Is it poor structures or more that it's hard to maintain structures when you're not winning the collision and getting trampled?

Ill-discipline and unforced errors crucified Rovers today gifting Warrington four tries. TBH I couldn't fault Rovers effort but every time they got on the front foot someone undid it and fair play to the opposition they capitalised on it. I wouldn't have minded if Warrington had pressurised Rovers into the errors but they didn't. Whilst he wasn't the only culprit Horne had a stinker (the captaincy is too much of a burden IMO). Overall the lack of nous at FB and hooker showed. We need Campo and Lunt/Boudebza back and to solve the FB dilemma I would play Kelly there once Marsh gets back. After all this there were two positives; Lawler showed what a grafter he is (although he struggled at 9, which was to be expected) and once again Blair looked a clas act in the halves.

Betts was head coach at Wigan for a while iirc. But your general point, I accept. Chester had a good long apprenticeship, I don't think that is the problem especially.

You can't buy long term success in RL. The 2 most successful sides in the early SL years were bradford and saints, both of whom completely flouted the salary cap and spent what they wanted. One nearly went bust and is now playing 2nd tier rugby and the other was only saved by virtue of having enough value in their old ground to move and clear their debts.

leeds are the most successful side in SL history and by far the most since the salary cap was being policed more effectively (although not completely as we all know) and their model has been to use home grown players (and they were extremely fortunate to have 3 or 4 top class ones who hung around for a decade or more) plus adding in good quality UK and overseas players. They haven't been big spenders at all.

The other recent successful side has been wigan, who are a model for basing yous team on home grown talent.

wire spent big, had 3 or 4 decent seasons (although never won SL) and then it all fell apart. Only by spending big again do they look to have a competitive team again.

You're right about the value in polynesian players though

It is but who do you think has done best out of it?

The outcome of the decision will not be seen for at least 3 years.
FC had the better academy. Probably why the FC fans were more outraged.